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The Rat
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Canada
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 Posted - 12/14/2001 : 22:50:47 [Permalink]
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If a god did create humanity, and we do not evolve, then why do we have a part in our body that does absolutely nothing? I'm talking, of course, about the human appendix.
That reminds me of the story that I believe is told about St. Augustine. Someone (probably someone like us!) asked him, "What was god doing before he created heaven and Earth?" St Augustine bellowed, "Creating HELL, for people who ask such questions!"
Welcome aboard. Fun, eh?!
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Donnie B.
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Posted - 12/15/2001 : 08:20:54 [Permalink]
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If a god did create humanity, and we do not evolve, then why do we have a part in our body that does absolutely nothing? I'm talking, of course, about the human appendix.
Although your question is rhetorical, I'm sure the creationists can easily rationalize it. For example, God could have given us an appendix so he'd have simple way to eliminate a person whose time had come.
Think of all the sinful surgeons who have thwarted God's will by performing appendectomies! Why, that's heretical. They should all be eliminated, like the baby killers.
-- Donnie B.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2001 : 21:12:39 [Permalink]
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Speaking of "playbooks" I can't tell how disappointed I was with Mike Shermer's How to Debate a Creationist.It starts off with a big biuld up of his debate with Gish.He then goes on to declair how just before the "The Debate" he decides he's b]NOT GOING TO DEBATE GISH[/b](and this is in an article in Sceptic mag. in which the premise is HOW TO DEBATE ),but rather to share with the audience the various "creation myths" found in other cultures. ps.To Trish those quotes were from Evolutionist. My point in quoting them is that within the Church faithful of the dogma of evolution some are beginning to see the emperor(of evolution)has no clothes on
Well I missed this until Slater answered it so well.
As regards Gish, I think Mr. Shermer also pointed out how Gish has been rebuked so many times by so many on his facts and he has yet to alter his insistence upon those facts. DAlogos, it was also pointed out that Gish never changes his rhetoric when it comes to debating. What's the point of debate when one person does not debate but rather recites from a well worn and never updated script.
As for the purpose of the quotes and from whence they came: so. Science is an area where of necessity things change over time. As more information becomes available the precepts from which science operates must change. This is not the case with the so called Creation Science. There is nothing in Creation Science which can be conceivably construed or understood as 'science'. Your position is one from the position of authority, not empirical data.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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Tim
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Posted - 12/15/2001 : 22:39:40 [Permalink]
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I am new to this group, so I'm sure someone has covered this subject quite well, already. However, I thought that I would jump in, anyway.
Long ago, I gave up debating the merrits of Creationism vs. Evolution, or rather the religion of Darwinism as the ICR educated like to say. I've found this tactic to be useless against someone that is already indoctrinated. Obviously, once a person has taken Kierkegaard's 'leap' there is no consideration of evidence or common sense.
Today, I generally try to bring the fight to the creationist. I try to debate biblical errancy, and the scientific and historical 'truth' of the bible. I've found this to be more effective in raising doubt in the minds of both the creationist, and those listenning on.
The best online review of biblical errancy which I have found is Dennis McKinsey's at http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
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Espritch
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USA
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 12/25/2001 : 21:21:25 [Permalink]
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Long ago, I gave up debating the merrits of Creationism vs. Evolution, or rather the religion of Darwinism as the ICR educated like to say. I've found this tactic to be useless against someone that is already indoctrinated. Obviously, once a person has taken Kierkegaard's 'leap' there is no consideration of evidence or common sense.
Another link I found was about our favorite Dr Dino...
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/evolution/hovind_funnies.html
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James
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/26/2001 : 20:48:00 [Permalink]
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Long ago, I gave up debating the merrits of Creationism vs. Evolution, or rather the religion of Darwinism as the ICR educated like to say. I've found this tactic to be useless against someone that is already indoctrinated. Obviously, once a person has taken Kierkegaard's 'leap' there is no consideration of evidence or common sense.
Another link I found was about our favorite Dr Dino...
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/evolution/hovind_funnies.html
Thanks for the link, Gezzam. Hovind is most deserving of a MiSTing. Oh yes.... 
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