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pfretzschner
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 03/10/2005 : 11:57:42
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How did Latin find out that James Randi is made of shit? Has he taken samples? Can we examine them? Perhaps his "new skepticism" is based on his discovery of feces-based life forms!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2005 : 12:49:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pfretzschner
How did Latin find out that James Randi is made of shit? Has he taken samples? Can we examine them? Perhaps his "new skepticism" is based on his discovery of feces-based life forms!
Indeed, pfretzschner, there are lots of things latini has yet to explain. A feces-based life form would be interesting, since you need carbon-based life forms to make feces. Obviously more work needs to be done in this area.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/10/2005 : 13:21:39 [Permalink]
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| Nah It its only an assumption that all life must be carbon based, of course it is by far the most versitile atom. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/10/2005 : 13:45:52 [Permalink]
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Greetings pfretzschner (i have not the slightist idea of how to pronounce that), and welcome to SFN!
Out friend 'Jarl is the latest in a succession of people who make odd claims and either cannot, or refuse to provide back-up for them.
He's not as interesting as some we've had here, but I've little better to do, and he helps to pass the time.
A feces-based segment of the population? Hmm. That might explain a lot, up there around D.C.....
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2005 : 13:59:54 [Permalink]
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| By the way, folks, I didn't figure it out (a JREF forums member told us last night in chat), but latinijral's name is actually short for "latin is james randi a liar." So, technically, latinijral brings up James Randi in every single post he makes. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 14:49:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Nah It its only an assumption that all life must be carbon based, of course it is by far the most versitile atom.
Well, I was talking about earth life, BPS. I've seen much speculation that silocon-based life would be quite possible as its atoms arrange in a quite orderly fashion. Or something... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 15:14:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
By the way, folks, I didn't figure it out (a JREF forums member told us last night in chat), but latinijral's name is actually short for "latin is james randi a liar." So, technically, latinijral brings up James Randi in every single post he makes.
That's interesting; pretty obvious too, once it's pointed out. :kicking self: Should'a seen it. 
This fixation, indeed stalking of Randi demonstrates some sort of mental imbalance, expecally since, as far as anyone knows, the JREF has never caused him harm. If they had and he were out for revenge, I could understand it, but apparently he's just being mean-spirited.
I still wonder about his version, if he has one, of skepticism. Thus far, all concerned seem to be less than impressed.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 16:08:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Nah It its only an assumption that all life must be carbon based, of course it is by far the most versitile atom.
Well, I was talking about earth life, BPS. I've seen much speculation that silocon-based life would be quite possible as its atoms arrange in a quite orderly fashion. Or something...
While it is true that the silicon atom has been proposed as a substitute for carbon in life forms, there are two things that speaks against it.
First: Abundance. There aren't nearly as much silicon atoms in the universe compared to carbon, we're talking about an order of magnitude here.
Second: Stability. In crystalline form silicon is stable, but when it comes to more complex structures, molecules based on silicon have a tendency to become unstable and break as complexity increases. That makes it unsuitable for the base of macro-molecules.
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 03/10/2005 : 16:50:21 [Permalink]
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In crystalline form silicon is stable, but when it comes to more complex structures, molecules based on silicon have a tendency to become unstable and break as complexity increases.
But imagine a world where there are "intelligent" creatures based on silicon. Can you imagine the extent to which their creationists would claim that evolution is impossible because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. (At least I'm sure that their version of JerryB would). |
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pfretzschner
Skeptic Friend
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 18:10:31 [Permalink]
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Wow--I posted this as a cheap shot, but y'all are getting all deep with it. Fantastic!
pfretzschner is pronounced "fretchner". Still easier to say than "latinirjal" (or "verlch", for that matter).
I still want New Skeptical proof from latin that Randi is made of shit. My theory is that homeboy is just smelling himself.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2005 : 20:29:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pfretzschner
Wow--I posted this as a cheap shot, but y'all are getting all deep with it. Fantastic!
pfretzschner is pronounced "fretchner". Still easier to say than "latinirjal" (or "verlch", for that matter).
I still want New Skeptical proof from latin that Randi is made of shit. My theory is that homeboy is just smelling himself.
Latin?
'Tis what skeptics do. We too, suffer from a mental imbalance. And yes, 'fretchner' is easier. 'Net handles are a trip, aren't they?
I do not think that the Big L's proofs will be forthcoming simply because he has none. I will never understand why some people will jump into a site such as this one, and start making far-out, unsubstantiated claims. If they studied the site at all, they must know that they are going to get called by people who actually like doing research.
But they just keep on a'comin'. Go figger.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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pfretzschner
Skeptic Friend
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 00:51:49 [Permalink]
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| No, he clearly has no proof and is just being a dick. But his posts, though repetitive, are fascinating in a slow-motion trainwreck kind of way. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 05:10:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pfretzschner
No, he clearly has no proof and is just being a dick. But his posts, though repetitive, are fascinating in a slow-motion trainwreck kind of way.
Indeed they are, and thank you for the simile!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
231 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 09:05:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
While it is true that the silicon atom has been proposed as a substitute for carbon in life forms, there are two things that speaks against it.
First: Abundance. There aren't nearly as much silicon atoms in the universe compared to carbon, we're talking about an order of magnitude here.
Second: Stability. In crystalline form silicon is stable, but when it comes to more complex structures, molecules based on silicon have a tendency to become unstable and break as complexity increases. That makes it unsuitable for the base of macro-molecules.
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However, the total abundance of silicium atoms in the universe is not the most important criterion. If under some conditions a high local concentration of silicium is found this may well provide a proper setting for Si-abiogenesis.
Also, polymers of silicium(also this) do exist and might well be stable under non-earthlike conditions.
The "Chemical Space" used on earth represents only a minor slice of the total number of possible outcomes, and we also know inorganic compounds can assume surprisingly life-like structures. (pic 1,pic 2, possible reg. required).
I'm also unsure whether high-order polymers are needed to support life, considering relatively simple molecules can perform complex functions such as catalysis or ion transport.
Heck, come to think of it, perhaps we won't even recognise extra-terrestrial life when we find it |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/12/2005 : 11:01:17 [Permalink]
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| Dont forget they may not recognise us as a life form. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2005 : 15:01:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Dont forget they may not recognise us as a life form.
Kind of reminds me of the book Fiasco (Amazon link) by Stanislav Lem.
The life encountered on the planet they visited was... alien. |
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