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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 05/04/2005 : 10:31:11 [Permalink]
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A quote from the USA Today article...
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Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
How do people this stupid get elected?
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 10:52:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
A quote from the USA Today article...
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Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
And the line directly following:quote:
Ribald performances are not defined in the bill. "Any adult that's been involved with sex in their lives, they know it when they see it," he said.
Anyone else reminded of Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's words when, in 1964, he tried to explain what is considered obscene material by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced...[b]ut I know it when I see it."
Legislating morality has never worked. Legislating social morality "for the children" has not worked. And I doubt very much that legislating morality to the children is going to work.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 11:10:06 [Permalink]
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Evidently, It's passed the Texas House and will now go to the senate. As predicted, it will not make a single iota of difference in the behavior of high school kids. Only proper instruction and good parenting will do that, and such cannot be legislated.
Merely more crap from polititions with not enough to do, and too few brains or too little courage to tackle issues that are important.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 11:32:56 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
A quote from the USA Today article...
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
How do people this stupid get elected?
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Stupid is as stupid does; in other words, people that stupid get elected because people that stupid vote for those people. |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 11:41:19 [Permalink]
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"Apparently the prosletyzing chrisitans feel so threatened by modern western culture that, instead of showing the world the true form of their religion, they must adapt their religion to fit in the modern culture. Wouldn't one think that if the message is so powerful, life altering, and just plain good, that no transmogrification would be required? And since transmogrification is the preferred method, does that necessarily invalidate the message?"
Well said! As a writer/artist I always looked at if from the point of view of the artists being imitated. But when I read this it was like [forehead smack], "Of course - Day of the Dead in Mexico, the Date of Xmas and the pine trees, Easter Bunny..."
Perhaps the Church has no actual culture of its own, it just moves into the forms of existing cultural products, the way an evil spirit takes over a body. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 12:17:35 [Permalink]
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My favorite is the Irish Catholic cross which was melded with a sun like circle to more easily convert Irish Pagans. I was thinking though this point works very well with the first statement in HH's sig...
"Or take those who live alone with a dog. They speak to him all day long; first they try to understand the dog, then they swear the dog understands them, he's shy, he's jealous, he's hypersensitive; next they're teasing him, making scenes, until they're sure he's become just like them, human, and they're proud of it, but the fact is they have become just like him: they have become canine."
--Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum.
Many of us dont want to think about it but they are doing these thing right now to science. Luckily we arent quite as gullible as Irish Pre-Victorian Pagans. I'm still worried though, practice makes perfect ya know. |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 13:38:27 [Permalink]
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Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Sorry , couldn't help myself. :-) |
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 14:21:56 [Permalink]
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Edwards argued bawdy performances are a distraction for students resulting in pregnancies, dropouts and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
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Someone should explain to this poor person that it takes more than dancing to make a baby or pass on an STD [they're not called cheerleading transmitted diseases for a reason].
As for the dropout rate, wouldn't lacivious dancing by nubile females only make attendance more attractive? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 15:00:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by trishran
Faith-based cheerleading is just a continuation of the trend of Christians glomming onto polular culture - Christian rock and so forth. What they don't seem to *get* is that it's not just the form, but the content that speaks to people. Like, "OOh, the young kids are being seduced away from us by thumping beat, let's seduce them back."
Well, some people, like me, like rock music. So I listen to it. Back in the days i was a Pentacostal, we had Iron Maiden, Dio, Judas Priest and such bands. I liked their music, but the lyrics just didn't reach the moral heights a devote christian strives for.
Then came the Swedish rock/metal bands Jerusalem and Leviticus, and American bands like Stryper and Bloodgood. They filled the void by providing the music I liked with lyrics I approved of. It wasn't to "seduce back" people, it was about providing good alternatives.
When I wrote lyrics to some of the songs my own band made, I took care to try to make the lyrics meaningful: Why have lyrics in a song if it has nothing to contribute?
Despite the very pro-biblical contents of the lyrics of Stryper's songs, some congregations in Sweden boycotted their concerts in Sweden, claiming is was Satanical, and tried their best to spread lies and innuendo about them. That really pissed me and my friends off. It was some Maranata congregation, if I recall correctly.
These days I rarely listen to them. Not because I don't like the music, but I have a hard time digesting the lyrics. Which is a pity, because both Swedish bands Jerusalem's and Leviticus' earlier albums had their own style, apart from the more known "secular" rock-bands. A unique segment of the genre I think. Later albums became too mainstream metal.
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I think this shows a real lack of integrity on the part of the Christians, reject the artist's message, but steal the part of their creative product that is the easiest to imitate. Why can't they come up with an original musical style, dance movement or literary conventions? Could it be --- Satan?
Now you're touching on a subject that I feel strongly about. I've heard many good songs in church only to later find out that the melody has been stolen and then Christian lyrics has replaced the original. That is just so... not right. And every time I hear such songs it only feeds my contempt for the Christian religion. |
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pleco
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 15:53:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Now you're touching on a subject that I feel strongly about. I've heard many good songs in church only to later find out that the melody has been stolen and then Christian lyrics has replaced the original. That is just so... not right. And every time I hear such songs it only feeds my contempt for the Christian religion.
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pleco
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 16:05:26 [Permalink]
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| On another note, does this mean that the movie "Footloose" will be banned and burned? If so, then maybe it isn't such a bad idea ;-) |
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 17:07:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco:
Apparently the prosletyzing chrisitans feel so threatened by modern western culture that, instead of showing the world the true form of their religion, they must adapt their religion to fit in the modern culture. Wouldn't one think that if the message is so powerful, life altering, and just plain good, that no transmogrification would be required? And since transmogrification is the preferred method, does that necessarily invalidate the message?
Welcome pleco.
The "true form" of their religion doesn't exit. The holey bible contains so many contradictions and is so inapplicable to civilized people, that it is impossible to use it as a guide to living. No one could possibly live following everything in the bible and remain sane and/or out of jail. So the religious just pick and choose the parts they want and ignore the rest. So it comes as no surprise that if their kids want to be cheerleaders, and they believe that it is inconsistent with their chosen part / interpretation of the bible, well they figure out a way to try to blend the two, regardless of whether or not it makes any sense.
Besides, where in the bible does it say "thou shalt not shaketh thy booty, for it may maketh the lecherous to drueleth"?
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 21:17:01 [Permalink]
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| Dr. Mabuse, I understand what you're saying. I've had experience of people who want to just use the form - a couple of women I met at a job who belonged to a church that had a cable TV show. They talked very openly about using the forms of rock music and rock opera to lure young people into their church. Of course, they probably wouldn't be the first to think of it/do it, but there are probably more people than just Dr Mabuse who try to meld two things they love. Sorry, didn't mean to offend. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 21:31:30 [Permalink]
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Ok, any bets? Assuming this thing gets passed, how soon before some cheerleader is fined for breaking this new pathetic excuse for a law? And how soon after that will the ACLU have a team of lawyers flown down to Texas to lay the smack down?
I say this doesn't stay on the books 6 months if it gets passed at all, which I very highly doubt.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 22:59:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Ok, any bets? Assuming this thing gets passed, how soon before some cheerleader is fined for breaking this new pathetic excuse for a law? And how soon after that will the ACLU have a team of lawyers flown down to Texas to lay the smack down?
I say this doesn't stay on the books 6 months if it gets passed at all, which I very highly doubt.
No takers here.
I've thought from the beginning that this legislation was largly another set of cheap polititions blowing smoke and avoiding the real and difficult issues facing the State of Texas. It's a common enough occurance, everywhere.
Now, if/when the senate shoots it down, they will be able to wring their hands and moan about how immorality is running rampant, the schools are hotbeds on iniquity, and liberals are all but recuiting their childern into prostitution. And hog the spotlight for a while longer. And their constituatcy will love them for it, "See, Rep. Codswallop is defending our morals and the public decency from the wages of SIN!" and they'll ultimatly get voted back in for yet another stint of semi-competence.
The really ridiculous aspect of it all is that there are doubtless laws already on the books covering indecency. And it is not as if these girls were choochie-dancing at the ball games (alas), anyway.
Even worse is that this local nonsense made it into the national media, and not on a slow day.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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