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Dave W.
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 Posted - 04/30/2005 : 19:20:03
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So, since I was doing some stuff away from the computer today (no way!), I happened across the FX Channel's "DVD on TV" playing the movie Independence Day. Nothing better appeared to be on, so I stuck with it, and was rewarded with seeing a couple of bits from an interview with Whitley Strieber.
Strieber was saying that we are "floating in physical evidence" of ETs visiting Earth, and that he thinks that the government is keeping a lid on what they know because the aliens have told 'em to keep their presence quiet.
Definitely one step beyond the normal "don't want to cause a public panic" rationale.
I wonder if I should put this in the Conspiracy Theories folder.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 19:39:26 [Permalink]
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I admit-- tragically- that I really do love that movie. But is our (or are various) government(s) keeping the fact of UFOs from the public at large because the ETs themselves reuqested/demended it? It sounds is crazy! |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 03:46:08 [Permalink]
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I like Independence Day too, except for the classic Americans-saves-the-day-attitude that always make me gag. No offence, but sometimes it's just too much.
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Kil
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 09:50:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
So, since I was doing some stuff away from the computer today (no way!), I happened across the FX Channel's "DVD on TV" playing the movie Independence Day. Nothing better appeared to be on, so I stuck with it, and was rewarded with seeing a couple of bits from an interview with Whitley Strieber.
Strieber was saying that we are "floating in physical evidence" of ETs visiting Earth, and that he thinks that the government is keeping a lid on what they know because the aliens have told 'em to keep their presence quiet.
Definitely one step beyond the normal "don't want to cause a public panic" rationale.
I wonder if I should put this in the Conspiracy Theories folder.
I just did a little search on Strieber looking for any conspiracy statements he might have made. While there are some mild kind of “the government must know” stuff, I couldn't find the above assertion, which does not mean that he isn't making it. It would not surprise me at all given that he claims that millions have been abducted. What I found interesting is that he is a rather conservative voice among the advocates of a big government cover up of an active alien presence and the existence of such things as a “new world order” lead by aliens. Some have gone as far as to accuse Strieber of being a part of the cover up conspiracy.
I'm still wading through the material and am not ready to provide sources and links since I haven't actually written anything about this. But maybe it is time that we finally take a look at what is going on here.
It's a rich subject that includes false memory, new world order conspiracies, new age thinking, sleep paralysis and more.
Given that there are conspiracy aspects to this subject as well as pseudo science, psychology and the new age, choosing a folder to place this discussion would be a tough call… |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 11:04:59 [Permalink]
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| Given the method behind the "DVD on TV" show, I would assume that the Strieber interview is on the Independence Day DVD. All I've got, unfortunately, is the VHS version, or I'd make you a transcript. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 19:39:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Given the method behind the "DVD on TV" show, I would assume that the Strieber interview is on the Independence Day DVD.
Exactly, Dave. And, uh, they have a nice host for the show, Jennifer Lothrop. |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 06:47:48 [Permalink]
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I too liked Independance Day. If for no other reason than stuff blows up real good!
The only problem with movies and books on alien invasions, is that we end up winning. Give me a break! It would be like us going to war with a stone age society - I think we would prevail.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 08:08:14 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I like Independence Day too, except for the classic Americans-saves-the-day-attitude that always make me gag. No offence, but sometimes it's just too much.
Favourite quote: "Now that's what I call Close Encounter..."
My faves have to do with Will Smith's delivery of "Elivs has left the building" and "Welcome to Earth".
ID4 keeps getting funnier every time I see it.
Mab, although the story is told from the American point of view, it is mentioned that other nations are taking on the aliens as well. It was marketed to an American audience first and foremost, sooooo.
Sort of like Blues Brothers (the good one) was marketed towards Chicago. (Everyone in the theater I was in caught the 1060 W Addison reference far before the audience was let in on the joke.) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 08:40:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Furshur:
It would be like us going to war with a stone age society - I think we would prevail.
We have gotten our ass's kicked fighting countries that didn't have our advanced warfare technology. Viet Nam comes to mind. Underestimating how people will fight for their homeland is often a mistake. Where is the British Empire now?
I'm not saying that the story line of Independence Day is plausible. Just that great army's have fallen due to some unforeseen weakness in their armor…
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 08:56:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
I too liked Independance Day. If for no other reason than stuff blows up real good!
The only problem with movies and books on alien invasions, is that we end up winning. Give me a break! It would be like us going to war with a stone age society - I think we would prevail.
Right. And how did Jeff Goldbloom figure out the alien programming language to give them a virus? Is C++ a universal lnaguage or something? Did they use Windows 95, too? Hmmmmm |
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Dude
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 10:07:34 [Permalink]
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I like Independence Day too, except for the classic Americans-saves-the-day-attitude that always make me gag.
An action movie targeted to American audiences. Would it have made semse for the writers to have the action center in someplace like Sweden? With a Swedish protagonist?
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Right. And how did Jeff Goldbloom figure out the alien programming language to give them a virus? Is C++ a universal lnaguage or something? Did they use Windows 95, too? Hmmmmm
Actually, he used a MAC powerbook. It makes a wierd kind of sense within the context of the movie... if the US has had this alien technology to study for 50 years, some of it has been figured out and is being used. The alien ship being the basis for the technology and OS of the MAC.... to subtle a reference for any but the most geekish among us to get I suppose... hahah!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 10:45:26 [Permalink]
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sweetmiracle
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 13:15:26 [Permalink]
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| For a really insightful look at the movie science (or lack thereof), check out http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/. Click on movie reviews, then on Indepenedence Day. The other reviews are good, too. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 13:39:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
[The only problem with movies and books on alien invasions, is that we end up winning. Give me a break! It would be like us going to war with a stone age society - I think we would prevail.
Really? How far did you get in Afghanistan, and Iraq?  |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/02/2005 : 13:48:17 [Permalink]
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I don't have a problem with American protagonists in American movies, it just makes sense. Just as there is a Swedish protagonist in a Norwegan movie (Insomnia)... (hehe), or in Swedish movies.
It's just too much of it sometimes. Like the "to day we celebrate our independence day" speech.
But I still enjoy the movie for the many positive points that have been mentioned already, as well as lots of respectable (in my opinion) actors and actresses. |
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