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pfretzschner
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USA
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Posted - 05/17/2005 :  11:12:43  Show Profile Send pfretzschner a Private Message
http://www.somethingawful.com/index.htm
A thought-provoking review of new developments in homeopathic medicine.

filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  11:55:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Heh-heh...
quote:
....don't trust chiropractors. There's something inherently wrong with paying another human being money so they can lay on top of your body and force it to emit noises which sound like a hydraulic press smashing apart a bag of pretzels. The human body simply wasn't built to rotate every joint at 300-degree angles, and if you don't believe me, take a look at professional football highlights where some guy jumps up to catch a pass and a 400-pound helmetted gorilla named "Dwayne" slams into him from another zip code at 80 miles an hour. The human body is essentially nothing but a big doughy wad of bones and gooey stuff which is all pretty disgusting no matter how you look at it, so the concept of paying a complete stranger cold hard cash to twist your appendages in foreign directions seems confusing to me.

Very good!

Here's another place where you can have fun with homopathy:
quote:
Online Remedy Finder - Homeopathy Software
Enter your symptoms, answer a few questions, and the homeopathy remedy finder will suggest a remedy based on a detailed analysis of the symptoms you enter. Takes 5-15 minutes. See also Remedy Finder Instructions & Quick Guide.
Simplified, 30 second, Homeopathic Software

Just type in your particular disease, fill out a symptom form, and they will reccommend a special medicine. This nostrum is easily available through -- suprise! -- the site.

For my ailment, I chose a simple one: leprosy. If I take a notion to do it again, I might do elephantisis. And the next might be the Klingon clap. The possibilities are endless.




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Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Dik-Dik Van Dik
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United Kingdom
76 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  14:08:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dik-Dik Van Dik a Private Message
so who do I see about my bad back?

DARWIN 3:16
"The simple believeth every word." - Proverbs 14:15
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  14:22:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
so who do I see about my bad back?


A sports medicine specialist, a massage therapist, and make yourself get off the couch and excercise.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Dik-Dik Van Dik
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United Kingdom
76 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  14:38:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dik-Dik Van Dik a Private Message
is that like a physiotherapist? I saw one when I was 16 and it didnt help at all. And i'm on the couch as a result of exercise BTW.

DARWIN 3:16
"The simple believeth every word." - Proverbs 14:15
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Dude
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6891 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  15:34:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
is that like a physiotherapist?


No, it's like a MD who specializes in sports injuries. Often their primary specialty is orthopedics, and they work mainly on damage caused by sports activities.

Soft-tissue back injuries are notoriously difficult to actually treat though.

And if you are couched because of excercise... then maybe a physical trainer to make sure you are doing excercises properly? I know that shit just sometimes happens when you work out, just covering the bases :P


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Dik-Dik Van Dik
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United Kingdom
76 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  16:50:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dik-Dik Van Dik a Private Message
Ok, sounds like something to check out. Maybe i should see a GP and get a referal or something. I dont know if its soft tissue, its my discs, are thhey classed as soft? happened in a sporting accident, not really a bad form kind of thing.

Are chiropractic really complete garbage? I dunno why but I was under the impression it was a legit medical thing.

DARWIN 3:16
"The simple believeth every word." - Proverbs 14:15
Edited by - Dik-Dik Van Dik on 05/17/2005 16:53:03
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pfretzschner
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USA
67 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  17:08:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send pfretzschner a Private Message
quote:
Are chiropractic really complete garbage?

I'll just rearrange that sentence for you: "chiropractors really are complete garbage."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  17:26:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Are chiropractic really complete garbage? I dunno why but I was under the impression it was a legit medical thing.


Not only garbage but potentially dangerous. Rapid movement of the neck, that chiropractors do to you, can tear the cerebral artery.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ricky
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Posted - 05/17/2005 :  21:19:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
They may not be complete garbage, as some effects are noticeable. However most results have shown that they do little more (and possibly less) than stretching.

Either way, they are just not worth it.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  22:01:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
They may not be complete garbage, as some effects are noticeable. However most results have shown that they do little more (and possibly less) than stretching.



Ever heard of anyone tearing their cerebral artery doing a stretch?


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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beskeptigal
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USA
3834 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2005 :  23:43:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Cervicle or vertebral arteries actually. I have personally seen a newly made quadriplegic fresh from the chiropractor's office admitted to the ICU I was working in. The blood supply to the man's spinal cord was disrupted and his cord suffered irreparable damage from lack of blood supply. Very sad.

http://www.chirowatch.com/Chiro-strokes/mja000821strokes.html

(edited to correct original statement)
Edited by - beskeptigal on 05/17/2005 23:47:50
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Dude
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USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/18/2005 :  12:32:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Cervicle or vertebral arteries actually.


yeah, that artery.

My bad


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard

USA
3834 Posts

Posted - 05/18/2005 :  21:25:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
Cervicle or vertebral arteries actually.


yeah, that artery.

My bad



No, it wasn't your bad. I thought vertebral and posted 'your bad' but when I looked at the title of the link I provided, it said cerebral artery. My bad actually, so I edited my correction.

And look, I can't spell cervical either. Too many beers last night.
Edited by - beskeptigal on 05/18/2005 21:27:04
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Dude
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USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 05/18/2005 :  21:52:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
So all three of these arteries can be injured from a chiropractic neck manipulation. Cervical, vertebral, and cerebral.

Ok.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4955 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2005 :  06:09:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
No, it wasn't your bad. I thought vertebral and posted 'your bad' but when I looked at the title of the link I provided, it said cerebral artery. My bad actually, so I edited my correction.

And look, I can't spell cervical either. Too many beers last night.

Since I missed it-- congrats on 1000 posts, beskeptigal!
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 05/19/2005 06:09:26
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