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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/09/2005 : 05:41:03
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Found this in the NYT Subscription required; I reccommend bugmenot to get past the bullshit.
This is from a Cardinal that was close to Pope Benny back when he was still Cardinal Ratzi. It looks to me like the first step toward leading the church away from evolutionary science. quote:
Leading Cardinal Redefines Church's View on Evolution
By CORNELIA DEAN and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: July 9, 2005
An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith.
The cardinal, Christoph Schönborn, archbishop of Vienna, a theologian who is close to Pope Benedict XVI, staked out his position in an Op-Ed article in The New York Times on Thursday, writing, "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense - an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection - is not."
In a telephone interview from a monastery in Austria, where he was on retreat, the cardinal said that his essay had not been approved by the Vatican, but that two or three weeks before Pope Benedict XVI's election in April, he spoke with the pope, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, about the church's position on evolution. "I said I would like to have a more explicit statement about that, and he encouraged me to go on," said Cardinal Schönborn.
He said that he had been "angry" for years about writers and theologians, many Catholics, who he said had "misrepresented" the church's position as endorsing the idea of evolution as a random process.
Opponents of Darwinian evolution said they were gratified by Cardinal Schönborn's essay. But scientists and science teachers reacted with confusion, dismay and even anger. Some said they feared the cardinal's sentiments would cause religious scientists to question their faiths.
An interesting read, if not a very good omen.
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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 Posted - 07/11/2005 : 15:35:47 [Permalink]
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| Old anti-scientific habits die hard, or something? This is the institution that didn't apologise to Galileo Galilei for 350 years or so. What's frustrating is that these clowns decide to go with the Bible instead of science when the two clash. Weird, really. I mean, which source is more trustworthy: the Bible or the universe? And why not go all the way, to the good old days when the church decided that the Earth was flat and in the centre of everything, back then they didn't rely on fancy facts and stuff like that. Facts, as Homer Simpson points out, can be used to prove anything that's even remotely true... |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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woolytoad
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 17:06:27 [Permalink]
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What's frustrating is that these clowns decide to go with the Bible instead of science when the two clash. Weird, really. I mean, which source is more trustworthy: the Bible or the universe?
When has it ever been about trustworthiness? |
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