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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 07/28/2005 : 18:55:39
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This article http://www.factcheck.org/specialreports188.html explores the issue that political candidates are legally allowed to lie in their campaign ads.
The controversy is that laws against candidates lying (similar to laws against false commercial ads) are often too vague, hard to enforse, and may violate the first ammendment.
I love the second-to-last paragraph in this analysis:
And so it goes. All this should tell voters that -- legally -- it's pretty much up to them to sort out who's lying and who's not in a political campaign. Nobody said Democracy was supposed to be easy.
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Edited by - marfknox on 07/28/2005 18:57:51
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 14:06:08 [Permalink]
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As long as politicians are allowed to spread falsehoods, there will always be scumbags in power. It's easier to smear others, then pushing your own positive agendas.
Too bad, but I can also see the problems with such laws.
How about limiting the amount of money allowed to make those ads?
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 16:15:14 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
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As long as politicians are allowed to spread falsehoods, there will always be scumbags in power.
As long as people are not willing to take the time out of their day to research who is lying and who is not, there will always be scumbags in power.
True. I guess I'm bordering on cynical when it comes to American politics. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 19:15:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
And so it goes. All this should tell voters that -- legally -- it's pretty much up to them to sort out who's lying and who's not in a political campaign. Nobody said Democracy was supposed to be easy.
Welcome to the USA.
And I second what Ricky said. So so many people here are to lazy to get out and form their own opinion, they just toe the party line. People from both left and right do it.
With regard to the article.... I'm not sure that blatant lying is protected under the first ammendment, even if it is political speech.
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 02:46:16 [Permalink]
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| We used to have a check for political half truths, lies and false accusations. It was called the press. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2005 : 14:36:13 [Permalink]
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I wouldn't be opposed to a law against plain false facts. There is, after all, a difference between an opinion that implies a false fact, and an outright falsehood. The article gives an example of a white supremancist saying that blacks want integration in order to get white women. He could state that as his opinion, and then it's not a lie. And though I think it's dead wrong, it's still protected by the first ammendment.
So what about the ads from the Bush campaign that called Kerry a "flipflopper" and then played that damn recording of Kerry saying, "I voted for a bill before I voted against it." Is the Bush campaign to blame for leaving out the whole truth (which was that the bill had actually changed, and that was why Kerry changed his vote) or is it the fault of lazy-ass Americans who believed that commercial? To be fair, if Americans had to research every little thing that politicians said, they wouldn't have time to run their lives.
I do think the solution is a good and free press, and sadly, as Tim said, we used to have that. Maybe we'll have it again after the latest technological revolution being caused largely by the Internet. Or maybe that'll make it worse. *sigh*
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