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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/29/2005 : 06:07:54
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4727847.stm
Sweet.
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 06:45:17 [Permalink]
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| Cool! Thanks for the link! |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 07:10:47 [Permalink]
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Indeed, and from what we are gradually learning about extremophiles, it would seem that life could be likely rather than merely possible.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 07:41:18 [Permalink]
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| Just supposing that life did exist there for some time. I wonder if a more complete fossil record could exist showing evolution in a "better light". I guess we won't know until we put some warm bodies there. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
3192 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2005 : 08:21:19 [Permalink]
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| Dear god no! We could send 500 landers for the price of one manned mission. I think it is a huge mistake, which Bush is making. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 08:33:20 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Dear god no! We could send 500 landers for the price of one manned mission. I think it is a huge mistake, which Bush is making.
And this surprises you?
From 1969 to 1972, men landed on the moon. They found out it wasn't made of cheese and haven't been back since. <-- From a Wisconsin cheese commercial
People often dream of visiting other worlds. There are some things that humans do better than machines. Machines aren't as expensive as manned flights and give quality long term operation when programmed properly. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2005 : 08:50:31 [Permalink]
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| The question is: can we get the knowledge required with 500 landers? I'm not sure at this point in time if automata is sophisticated enough to do that - maybe that is where the research money should go. Hopefully once they decommission the shuttle program those billions will be diverted to automata resarch. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
3192 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2005 : 09:57:32 [Permalink]
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Our unmanned craft have made 95%+ of all the greatest discoveries so far, I dont see why not... All the telescopes, mars landers, outer planet searchers, sun study, surface mapping, chem anaylsys, spectra surveys and such. I cant think of much that humans can do that landers couldnt and would those few things be worth the effort? Most of the very short time the astronauts would have would be dedicated to novelty and not dying.
Its vanity and a shame, I was devestated when I learned about this plan.
The biggest problem I have is the high failure potential vs cost. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 08/04/2005 : 03:37:37 [Permalink]
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I went to France this July. Well, I didn't, really. I did send a camera, a tape recorder and an empty box. A week later I got the memory card back, with lots of great and interesting photos of la Tour Eiffel, Notre Dame, Arc de Triomphe and Montmartre. The box came back too, filled with a few grams of baguettes, crepes, cheese, champagne and wine. The tape recorder had sounds recorded from people saying things in French, as well as sounds of the city life of Paris. France looks like an interesting place. :-)
Seriously though, I don't get why we need to send only robotic probes or only humans. Why not both? We have scientists all over our own planet, to study life forms, mountains or other things. We have spread out over the planet for other reasons as well, which will happen in space too. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
| Edited by - Maverick on 08/04/2005 03:38:59 |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/04/2005 : 12:45:28 [Permalink]
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True, but we'll need a better propulsion system to get us out there faster, and cheaper.
Once that's done, presumably we can then start to look to Mars or the Belt for mining purposes, and then also colonization...then maybe beyond.
It's better not to have all your eggs in one basket, after all. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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