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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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 Posted - 09/05/2005 : 06:11:06
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Muslim creationist Harun Yahya:
http://groups.google.se/group/talk.origins/msg/cb0b7f9b3023ae6f?hl=sv quote:
For this reason, if some people commit terrorism using the concepts and
symbols of Islam, Christianity and Judaism in the name of those
religions, you can be sure that those people are not Muslims,
Christians or Jews. They are in fact Social Darwinists. They hide under
a cloak of religion, but they are not genuine believers. Even if they
claim to be serving religion, they are actually enemies of religion and
believers. That is because they are ruthlessly committing a crime that
religion forbids, and in such a way as to blacken religion in peoples'
eyes.
For this reason, the root of the terrorism that plagues our world is
not in any of the monotheistic religions, but is in atheism, and the
expression of atheism in our times: 'Darwinism' and 'materialism'.
Impressive logic.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2005 : 06:23:59 [Permalink]
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What a maroon. The ol' "No True Scotsman" modified.
And this type of logic is used by the same people wanting to teach fantasy to our children as science.
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Dry_vby
Skeptic Friend
Australia
249 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 16:10:57 [Permalink]
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More than that, he is saying that the devil has deliberately disguised himself as a Scotsman to give Scotsman a bad name.
Now, Scotsmen do this well enough themselves, without the devils assistance.
It has long occured to me that the devil could do worse than disguise himself as the Catholic or Muslim church.
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"I'll go along with the charade
Until I can think my way out.
I know it was all a big joke
Whatever it was about."
Bob Dylan
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 17:42:16 [Permalink]
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| The world was truly a peaceful place before Darwin came along. No murders, no theft, no wars. Everyone was peacefully reading their religious text of choice in the presence of bright flowers and tweeting birds. |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 19:09:57 [Permalink]
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| I love how he goes from "social Darwinism" to "atheism", "Darwinism" and "Materialism". As if the concepts were interchangable. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 19:20:26 [Permalink]
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Also from the article: Darwin set out with one basic premise when developing his theory: 'The
development of living things depends on the fight for survival. The
strong win the struggle. The weak are condemned to defeat and
oblivion.'
This guy is so missing the mark. One, even if nature is blindly ruthless, that doens't mean human beings should also be that way. And two, often what makes an intelligent, social organism (like humans and other higher order mammals) "strong" enough to be favored for survival is things like a moderate amount of altruism, love for each other, desire to care for our children, etc. He throws the terms around as if "strong" only means big, muscular, selfish and vicious. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 20:46:08 [Permalink]
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Blatherers like this one deliberately distort Darwin's words.
What he meant by "fittest" was most able to survive in a given environment. This entails whatever qualities are appropriate.
These idiots are clueless, they take a quote, distort it to fit their personal view, and blather on. Kinda like people do with the bible.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2005 : 14:49:03 [Permalink]
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Okay so the strong survive, but I don't see how that supports the notion of terrorism? Assuming these people are inflicting the weak by attacking them, it's no longer Natural Selection, but directed.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2005 : 22:50:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by tkster
Okay so the strong survive, but I don't see how that supports the notion of terrorism? Assuming these people are inflicting the weak by attacking them, it's no longer Natural Selection, but directed.
tk
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2005 : 01:42:37 [Permalink]
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Harun Yahya's been around for a long time, although this is the first I've heard from him in a while. Nice to see that his idiotcy hasn't weakened with age.
Of course, he commits the same fallacy as his Christian counterparts: the tired old "Hitler was a Darwinist!" gag. None of these clowns ever take into account that no matter who is inspired by what, it makes not the slightest difference to the ToE. Hitler was also a Christian and Osama bin Laden is, after all, a Muslim.
There were no atheists commandeering aircraft on 9/11/01.
And stating ad nauseum that the ToE has no scientific support does not make the statement true. A pity that Yahya and his YEC counterparts are so intellectually destitute that thay can only gibber the same rubbish over and over.
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