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ASR
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 Posted - 10/13/2005 : 23:52:11 [Permalink]
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| I have already given up on disproving evolution, there's no point in arguing it anymore, unless you want to satisfy your ego. "Pray tell" don't mock a genuine concern. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 00:52:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ASR
"Pray tell" don't mock a genuine concern.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say everyone on this board has heard of Jesus Christ. If we aren't Christians, it's by choice. I wouldn't try to peddle any religion here.
But I should also point out that most Christians believe in evolution. It isn't a choice between believing in one or the other. I don't know your background, but if you were taught that evolution is inherently atheistic, then you were lied to. I'll leave it at that.
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 06:05:13 [Permalink]
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Now let the argument begin.
How do you argue something that makes no sense.
ASR said:
Science + Philosopy = Emotion
He also said
Science = everything that is a yes or no question
Philosophy = everything that cannot be answered with a yes or no question.
Therfore: Science + philosophy = everthing
So: everthing = emotion
I quess that means that gods love exists because cats crap on your pillow. Is this what you are saying?
We are also concerned about you.
Don't waste your life serving a nonexsistent god. Thats my philosophy, evolved it on my own.
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furshur
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 06:22:24 [Permalink]
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What happened here is science and philosophy. Science asks "Is this a pencil? Yes" but could not ask "What is it used for?" When the creative brain was prompted with the same pencil it could ask "What is it used for?" But could not comprehend "What is this?" because the fact had to be established witht the science thought "Is this a pencil? Yes"
This just plain wrong. Your definition is just that - your definition. By redefining the words and setting up your arbitrary boundries you have creates a fantasy world.
Of course science can ask what is this object used for. Or what does this object do. Just because you define these questions as philosophy does not make it so - these are FUNDEMENTAL scientific questions.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 06:33:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ASR
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Love is an abstract thought which helps procreate the species. Merely a modification of the instinct to pro-create. Why do we have this? If we didn't, we wouldn't be discussing this in the first place, since humans would be an extinct species long ago.
Millions of species in the ocean, insects, and fauna that requires insects to procreate do all of this without love. The primal urge to have sex is what procreates the species, not love. Love sometimes ends in hate, ruining procreation with your mate.
If love sometimes ends in hate, why should that be detrimental to evolution?
Once you start hating your mate, you will be very likely to change mate. The more mates you have, the greater the genetic diversity on your offspring: greater chance of survival. |
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Subjectmatter
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 06:45:41 [Permalink]
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You know, looking again at his... essay... it strikes me that the structure, syntax and forms of 'argument' resembles - if anything - what you would expect from the analysis of prose rather than a scientific paper or philosophical treatise.
But then, I guess that makes sense from a religious point of view, if your reality is definied by scripture, by fiction, then why not analyse reality as you would analyse fiction?
This gives you the right to argue from the basis of your emotional reaction to what you percieve; a fundamentalist's favourite premise. Perhaps this is what generates our friends obsession with emotions. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 06:48:16 [Permalink]
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| It is, once again, ASR's insistence that science is nothing more than a big pile of facts which is bogging him down. Geeblewizzit may be nothing more than a big pile of facts, but that's why we don't engage in geeblewizzit to find out how the world works. |
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pleco
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 08:20:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ASR
I have already given up on disproving evolution, there's no point in arguing it anymore, unless you want to satisfy your ego. "Pray tell" don't mock a genuine concern.
"Satisfy my ego"...How dare you! I was addressing the points YOU made in my post. Excuse the hell out of me.
I'll ask again, what is the concern? That we are going to H-E-double hockey sticks? Let's get this out in the open...what religious sect are you a member of? It may help us/me better understand your point of view. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 09:52:57 [Permalink]
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| Perhaps you'll understand someday that most people dont want to be 'saved' by you. But in our own way we are doing the same thing in trying to save you from a life of worshipping unprovable concepts. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Ricky
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ASR
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 10:21:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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Now let the argument begin.
How do you argue something that makes no sense.
ASR said:
Science + Philosopy = Emotion
He also said
Science = everything that is a yes or no question
Philosophy = everything that cannot be answered with a yes or no question.
Therfore: Science + philosophy = everthing
So: everthing = emotion
I quess that means that gods love exists because cats crap on your pillow. Is this what you are saying?
We are also concerned about you.
Don't waste your life serving a nonexsistent god. Thats my philosophy, evolved it on my own.
No what I am saying is that Science on its own is a factor, as is philosophy. the mix of the two is a third factor, not an end result of two different factors. Like Evolution created new laws to govern its process, science + philosophy = new law, (emotions) the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. |
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ASR
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 10:45:28 [Permalink]
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Truth is not red, and is therefore in the joy category.
I painted on three canvases. The first one had a red stripe. The second one had blue stripe. The third one had a pink stripe. When asked what the first one was I said "truth". When asked what the second one was I said "truth". When asked what the third one was I said "truth". |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 10:48:03 [Permalink]
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No what I am saying is that Science on its own is a factor, as is philosophy. the mix of the two is a third factor, not an end result of two different factors.
Science - is a way to investigate the physical world using the scientific method.
Philosophy - The search for understanding through chiefly speculative rather than observational means.
You can develope your philosophy based on science. Or you can use your philosophy to exclude the science you don't agree with, but you can't 'add' the 2 together - it just has no real meaning.
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Like Evolution created new laws to govern its process
This is another completely confused statement. Evolution did not create laws. Evolution is result of natural laws. Evolution is not a cause, evolution is an effect. Evolution is a term which describes the changes in life that occurrs over time.
I have heard many evangelical christians refer to evolution as if it were an entity or something seperate from the natural laws of science. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.
I suggest doing some reading on what evolution actually is and not on what you might have heard that it is.
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furshur
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 10:51:39 [Permalink]
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I painted on three canvases. The first one had a red stripe. The second one had blue stripe. The third one had a pink stripe. When asked what the first one was I said "truth". When asked what the second one was I said "truth". When asked what the third one was I said "truth".
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa dude, that's farout - pass the bong over this way. |
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ASR
Skeptic Friend
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2005 : 10:52:13 [Permalink]
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I painted on three canvases. The first one had a red stripe. The second one had blue stripe. The third one had a pink stripe. When asked what the first one was I said "truth". When asked what the second one was I said "truth". When asked what the third one was I said "truth".
Truth is now three colours, and does not fit into your limitations. |
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