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Randy
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 Posted - 11/13/2005 : 20:59:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Hey, gullible guy, we live in TV time.
If the Chinese had gone to space really, they would have filmed the most exciting moments of their enterprise.
Re-entry is the most exciting moment.
If you had gone to the moon really, we would have seen in TV your departure from the moon, your Lunar Module going off the ground.
HEROS WERE COMING BACK.
We didn't see anything, only faked images like those of the Chinese.
Where are parachutes in this image?
You are only a gullible guy.
From about ten seconds of Googling...
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1921/shenzhou.htm
I imagine the Chinese had all sorts of cameras/videos rolling upon re-entry. Were you not watching TV that day?
Remember, the above don't count as evidence -- it isn't "TV".
If anyone did see any video of the Shenzhou landing, congrats -- you just won a "I saw the Shenzhou landing on TV" t-shirt.
Apollo 17 video library...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/video17.html
Here's a few pics on Apollo 17 taking off from the moon...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/a17vipsite.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/a17ascent.jpg
Here's a 1.7 meg Quicktime video of Apollo 17 blasting off from the moon. Note: The video camera was remotely controlled from the Earth. Due to time lag between Earth and moon, apx. 1.5 seconds, Apollo 17 was the only mission where the blast off from the surface of the moon was sucessfully videoed. With the previous missions, timing was off and the LM blasted off out of frame.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/a17v.launch.mov
If you don't mind me saying so, if you're not carefull, the real world is going to pass you right by. |
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"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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lord_hevonen
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Posted - 11/13/2005 : 22:10:00 [Permalink]
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| Us computer nerds were NOT the only ones observing the space mission. US, Russian and European authorities were also following it with much more than an ADSL connection and a telly. Still they are convinced that the mission actually took place.Why would they lie for the Chinese? Oh, wait, you probably have theories about that too.. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/13/2005 : 23:57:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by lord_hevonen
Why would they lie for the Chinese? Oh, wait, you probably have theories about that too..
Liars don't unmask the other liars.
Ha, ha, ha, also the Chinese retro burn their engines during their landings, like NASA buffoons.
But we want to see a real movie
Hey, gullible guy, haven't you noticed that picture is faked, made with Photoshop? Also children can understand that image is faked.
Also children can understand this movie is faked too
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/a17v.launch.mov
Hey, I'm a real skeptic man, you are only a gullible guy.
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
Publius Terentius Afer, "Terence", Roman dramatist
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 04:59:18 [Permalink]
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"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense."
-- Carl Sagan
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Hey, I'm a real skeptic man, you are only a gullible guy.
Hahahahaha, hehehehe*snork*hehehe... 
And what pray, have you scrutinized to reach your (snicker) skeptical conclusions? Do share with us.
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Randy
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 05:27:36 [Permalink]
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And what pray, have you scrutinized to reach your (snicker) skeptical conclusions? Do share with us.
He didn't see the landing on TV -- no broadcast seen, no mission happened.
Yep, he dun thunk that right up.
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 11:57:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
He didn't see the landing on TV -- no broadcast seen, no mission happened.
Do you think the halo under this ridiculous big pot is real?
NO = You are an intelligent guy.
YES = You are an idiot without any hope.
With TV, instead, you can't fake the reality of facts if many televisions broadcast the same event.
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
Publius Terentius Afer, "Terence", Roman dramatist
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:06:47 [Permalink]
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With TV, instead, you can't fake the reality of facts if many televisions broadcast the same event.
If the toobs get their news feeds from the same source, and most of them do, they certainly can.
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Hey, I'm a real skeptic man, you are only a gullible guy.
Now, about those references for your skeptickle expertise.....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:11:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
With TV, instead, you can't fake the reality of facts if many televisions broadcast the same event.[/b]
The whole world, many different networks, broadcasted Neil Armstrongs first step on the moon... |
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Randy
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:19:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Do you think the halo under this ridiculous big pot is real?
Oh, so a bit of computer graphics here and there and you think the entire Chinese mission is fake. Real deep thinking there, bitbrain. You need more evidence than that.
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With TV, instead, you can't fake the reality of facts if many televisions broadcast the same event.
R-i-i-i-ght. We'll send you "I believe everything on TV" T-shirt.
Or how about "If it's on several stations, it is true."
There's a billion people over in China. Tell us, how do you know that the Chinese government didn't broadcast the launch and landing with several live television cameras for it's own peoples? Hm??
Bitbrain, you're not even on thin ice, your head-deep in the water. Maybe you should write your concerns to the Chinese space agency.
China has been know for decades, if not centuries, to be a closed society that is slowing opening it's doors. What would be something else is if China released complete launch, orbital, and landing coverage like NASA does, or used to.
How many have travelled into space? Maybe a few hundred counting all countries engaged in space travel. In the big picture, one or two more is not too big a deal. But it great news for China and its people.
Bitbrain, you come in here yelling skunk and there's no skunk around. In fact, the only skunk around here is your puny claim, without evidence, of China faking a space launch and landing. Yeah, too bad China could be more forthwith on coverage like we're used to with NASA. Oh, I forget...you think NASA is a fraud, too.
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:40:19 [Permalink]
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| Not to mention ESA's mission to Venus - looks like Europe's full of buffoons, too. Some of them are certainly Italian... |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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lord_hevonen
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 22:20:23 [Permalink]
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| One good reason to believe the Chinese space mission is that it is technically so possible. The China of today easily has the technical capabilities USSR had in 1961. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 23:40:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
R-i-i-i-ght. We'll send you "I believe everything on TV" T-shirt.
Or how about "If it's on several stations, it is true."
Obviously TV is true when different stations broadcast with different images the same event, not surely when they are linked together like when NASA buffoons broadcasted the faked images of your fake landing on the moon
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"Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit" (Flattery gets friends, truth hatred)
Publius Terentius Afer, "Terence", Roman dramatist
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 01:48:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Obviously TV is true when different stations broadcast with different images the same event, not surely when they are linked together like when NASA buffoons broadcasted the faked images of your fake landing on the moon
Given the unique environment on the moon, and distance there, it was a bit difficult to get several news stations over there to prepare for Armstrong's first steps. I hope you can appreciate the dilemma. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 03:19:16 [Permalink]
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"LOGIC, n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding. The basic of logic is the syllogism, consisting of a major and a minor premise and a conclusion — thus:
Major Premise: Sixty men can do a piece of work sixty times as quickly as one man.
Minor Premise: One man can dig a posthole in sixty seconds; therefore —
Conclusion: Sixty men can dig a posthole in one second.
This may be called the syllogism arithmetical, in which, by combining logic and mathematics, we obtain a double certainty and are twice blessed."
-- Ambrose Bierce
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 11:53:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
it was a bit difficult to get several news stations over there to prepare for Armstrong's first steps.
You could invite some news stations during your re-entry from the moon.
You haven't done it because it was a faked moment of your fake enterprise.
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Publius Terentius Afer, "Terence", Roman dramatist
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