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Grand Nubian
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Posted - 10/31/2001 :  21:21:41  Show Profile  Visit Grand Nubian's Homepage  Send Grand Nubian an AOL message  Send Grand Nubian a Yahoo! Message Send Grand Nubian a Private Message
If there's no god as described in the bible, why don't christians accept that god isn't all powerful?
Oh...wait, the bible describes god as not being all powerful. So why do christian think god is all powerful?

Hmmm...it seems that if god were an alien then things would make more sense.

If angels are aliens then it would make sense.

God doesn't have to be the most powerful thing in the universe...god can be simply the most powerful that we know of...ALIENS

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Trish
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Posted - 11/01/2001 :  03:54:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
First, you have to prove aliens are here and active - based, of course, on the concept that gawd and angels interact with human society to suspend natural laws.

"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." ~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
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Hat Monster
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Posted - 11/01/2001 :  08:59:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hat Monster's Homepage  Send Hat Monster an ICQ Message Send Hat Monster a Private Message
Throughout religious mythologies, deities are described as "Him" or "Her". Seldom "It". They are also normally human in form, and live on top of high mountains (Graeco-Roman), clouds (assorted), or nowhere (christianity), the only common parallel is that all places were inaccessible at the time of the respective deity's creation or relocation.

If the common myth of a God was to be interpreted as being alien, then that would throw everything about like small pieces of fine china in a toddler's hands. The Bible at least states that aliens do not exist by omission. Man is the only form of intelligent life, or at least higher intelligent life as opposed to dolphins and chimps which also wouldn't exist under a literal interpretation. Therefore, either their God is the only member of his species (and so not a very successful species) or there's horse manure flying around along with the fine china.

My interpretation of the Bible is that it's false and your interpretation, by definition, is no better ;-)

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ljbrs
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Posted - 11/01/2001 :  18:15:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ljbrs a Private Message
Horse manure flying around???

Uh-oh...

Duck!!!

Splat...

ljbrs

*Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.* Goethe
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Grand Nubian
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Posted - 11/26/2001 :  17:08:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Grand Nubian's Homepage  Send Grand Nubian an AOL message  Send Grand Nubian a Yahoo! Message Send Grand Nubian a Private Message
Interesting...so where did you have a chance to review my definition of the bible?

In any case, god as described in the bible has been given colleagues time after time, from gen. to rev.

daniel, ezekiel, and rev. all discuss technologically advanced "beings" with descriptions of "vessels".

So, according to the bible, there are either aliens (non earth intelligent life) or time travelers, or there was a time when humans had advance tech. and became dumbed down.

*according to the bible*

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Trish
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  11:59:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
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Interesting...so where did you have a chance to review my definition of the bible?

In any case, god as described in the bible has been given colleagues time after time, from gen. to rev.

daniel, ezekiel, and rev. all discuss technologically advanced "beings" with descriptions of "vessels".

So, according to the bible, there are either aliens (non earth intelligent life) or time travelers, or there was a time when humans had advance tech. and became dumbed down.

*according to the bible*


Actually Ezekiel only *saw* a wheel.

The four horsemen of the appocolypse were riding - um, horses.

Mary appeared standing on a serpent standing on a crown (if I recall correctly - I really try to avoid Rev at all costs).

Now, the chariots of gawd might be construed to mean....However, dumbed down? Um, a bunch of homeless vagrants wandering in the desert for 40 years - had high tech? Don't think so. These things were always described in a manner which *fit* with the current technology of the time (until recently - where the tech is now described as greater). Yet we are still left with the problem of how exactly the *aliens* arrive at our planet through interstellar space and why a species from another corner of our little galaxy would visit our nothing special star. Why would they bother taking the time to visit? We've only been polluting space with random radio waves for the 70-80 years - which would attract attention from any alien species. However, there is nothing of interest with that 70-80 ly range. The voyager space craft can't be that far - it only passed Neptune a scant 14 years ago (I think) and has been slowing unexpectedly. So, why would aliens come here in the first place? Nothing of much interest and now that they might know something of our species - I'd imagine they'd avoid us like the plague and devise something to contain us within our own small region of space.

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  14:12:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:

quote:
Interesting...so where did you have a chance to review my definition of the bible?

In any case, god as described in the bible has been given colleagues time after time, from gen. to rev.

daniel, ezekiel, and rev. all discuss technologically advanced "beings" with descriptions of "vessels".

So, according to the bible, there are either aliens (non earth intelligent life) or time travelers, or there was a time when humans had advance tech. and became dumbed down.

*according to the bible*


Actually Ezekiel only *saw* a wheel.

The four horsemen of the appocolypse were riding - um, horses.

Mary appeared standing on a serpent standing on a crown (if I recall correctly - I really try to avoid Rev at all costs).

Now, the chariots of gawd might be construed to mean....However, dumbed down? Um, a bunch of homeless vagrants wandering in the desert for 40 years - had high tech? Don't think so. These things were always described in a manner which *fit* with the current technology of the time (until recently - where the tech is now described as greater). Yet we are still left with the problem of how exactly the *aliens* arrive at our planet through interstellar space and why a species from another corner of our little galaxy would visit our nothing special star. Why would they bother taking the time to visit? We've only been polluting space with random radio waves for the 70-80 years - which would attract attention from any alien species. However, there is nothing of interest with that 70-80 ly range. The voyager space craft can't be that far - it only passed Neptune a scant 14 years ago (I think) and has been slowing unexpectedly. So, why would aliens come here in the first place? Nothing of much interest and now that they might know something of our species - I'd imagine they'd avoid us like the plague and devise something to contain us within our own small region of space.

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain



Try the first couple of chapters of Exodus. It's supposed to be an account of contact with aliens/future travelers.

Ya know, if you put a little hat on a snowball, it lasts a long time in hell.

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Trish
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  14:54:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Trish a Private Message
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Try the first couple of chapters of Exodus. It's supposed to be an account of contact with aliens/future travelers.

Ya know, if you put a little hat on a snowball, it lasts a long time in hell.


Huh? I don't remember that when I was reading it. Personally thought Moses was a bit of a (hell I don't know) one of those people that hear odd voices inside their head and actually think something outside them is speaking. (I don't know why I can't remember what this is called.)

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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Donnie B.
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  15:38:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Donnie B. a Private Message
Delusional?


-- Donnie B.

Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!"
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@tomic
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  15:44:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
Schizophrenia?

One other issue about accounts from the Bible involving aliens is not only where did they come from and why the hell did they bother to come here only to populate our mythologies, but after putting on the show where did they go? All of the examples given in no way indicate alien visitation unless the reader decides to stretch the meaning far beyond what's actually there.

@tomic

Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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James
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  18:47:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send James a Yahoo! Message Send James a Private Message
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All of the examples given in no way indicate alien visitation unless the reader decides to stretch the meaning far beyond what's actually there.


Isn't that what they do anyway?

"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but laziness is usually the father." -Bailey's First Law
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@tomic
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Posted - 11/27/2001 :  18:52:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit @tomic's Homepage Send @tomic a Private Message
Well you have to to get from a wheel to an artifact of advanced technology.

@tomic

Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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ljbrs
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USA
842 Posts

Posted - 11/28/2001 :  17:37:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send ljbrs a Private Message
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Interesting...so where did you have a chance to review my definition of the bible?

In any case, god as described in the bible has been given colleagues time after time, from gen. to rev.

daniel, ezekiel, and rev. all discuss technologically advanced "beings" with descriptions of "vessels".

So, according to the bible, there are either aliens (non earth intelligent life) or time travelers, or there was a time when humans had advance tech. and became dumbed down.

*according to the bible*




I never discuss religion. The subject is so deadly boring...

ljbrs ZZZzzz....

*Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.* Goethe
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