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rubysue
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 Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:39:21
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Greetings! Rubysue the insane ranter is back to annoy everyone with a new, VERY LONG, rambling politically incorrect diatribe! This will likely have to be posted in more than one entry, so bear with me (or go do something else; this is more for my fun and benefit than anything else because I just love to hear myself talk). WARNING: For those who don't like sarcasm and invective, you may want to consider leaving at this time and going outside to rake leaves.
A little introduction is in order: Apparently, a certain SFN regular who shall go nameless has decided that my utter contempt for and criticism of leftist radicals like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and Ramsey Clark must naturally be due to my complete ignorance of their writings and opinions. Of course! That makes sense! Why, anyone with half a brain should immediately fall down in gratitude to these gentlemen for their progressive ponderings and clarity of vision once their writings have been carefully perused. One couldn't actually be familiar with their philosophies and ideology and still disagree with them, could one, if one had an ounce of intelligence? Why such intellectual giants as Matt Damon and Ben Affleck genuflect themselves silly in front of the altar of that cunning linguist Chomsky (sorry – couldn't resist) and Zinn has kept classrooms full of privileged brats spellbound with his lectures at Boston University and his books are standard issue at every major University. So, have I now humbly changed my mind about these paragons of the left?
Bzzzzzz! Wrong answer! But thank you for playing. As much as I hate to put down my comic books and read anything serious or “edacashional”, I AM familiar with the writings and opinions of Chomsky and Zinn and the antics of Clark and have been for a while. I actually wasted $18 of my hard-earned money on “A People's History of the United States” a few years ago because I had heard somewhere that it had a refreshing “alternative” view of American History and thought that Zinn had something useful to say (this was at a time when I was struggling mightily with my political leanings). After I gagged up a hairball reading his outdated socialistic tripe, I then spent time studying the socialist/anarchist ravings of Professor Chomsky and came away completely perplexed at his popularity and quite angered by his outrageous commentary (oops, there's that “anger” word again – when will I ever learn not to let my base emotions govern my thoughts and opinions? When hell freezes over, I guess).
Since the atrocities of September 11, it has become very clear to me that individuals like Chomsky and Zinn belong to that elite covert group known as the “Fifth Column” (go look it up yourselves, folks; I'm not going to do all the work). Along with many of our short-attention-span MTV-generation media and “brave” individuals like the Berkeley city council, they are doing everything in their power to give comfort, information and aid to the enemy. However, why should you believe me? I have obviously been seduced by the dark side of the force, so why not let the words of the “great ones” speak for themselves? Hence, I present evidence today against the mind of Chomsky (Zinn and Clark will have to wait for another day when I can summon more energy to finish compiling my nauseating research). As that great cartoon network FoxNews says, “We report, you decide”. My commentary is naturally offered free of charge (as noted in brackets). Most of these quotes are taken from websites that are properly worshipful of Chomsky, although I also mined information from two conservative anti-Chomsky sites for the real kickers (see Exhibit A, Subpart Four). My purpose in this exercise is to alert those who are sitting on the fence about the real dangers of letting a man like Chomsky have any say whatsoever in how we approach the war on terrorism.
to be continued...
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
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199 Posts |
 Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:40:17 [Permalink]
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Rubysue diatribe continued: Exhibit A: Noam Chomsky, Institute Professor of Linguistics at MIT, prolific author, popular lecturer, observer of American politics and foreign policy.
Exhibit A, Subpart One, Four selected Chomsky quotes illustrating the principle of “Let us Eschew Obfuscation” OR “that damn Chomsky must be using the MIT supercomputers for his buzzword generators again….”
“Perhaps this is an obvious point, but the democratic postulate is that the media are independent and committed to discovering and reporting the truth, and that they do not merely reflect the world as powerful groups wish it to be perceived. Leaders of the media claim that their news choices rest on unbiased professional and objective criteria, and they have support for this contention in the intellectual community. If, however, the powerful are able to fix the premises of discourse, to decide what the general populace is allowed to see, hear, and think about, and to "manage" public opinion by regular propaganda campaigns, the standard view of how the system works is at serious odds with reality.”
[Huh?? Color me stupid, but I have no idea what this man is trying to say and HE's the professor of linguistics?]
“The process of barring public interference with important matters takes a step forward when elections do not even enable the public to select among programs that originate elsewhere, but become merely a procedure for selecting a symbolic figure.”
[What in the wide, wide world of sports is this supposed to mean? Or does it mean anything?]
“The general subservience of the articulate intelligentsia to the framework of state propaganda is not only unrecognized, it is strenuously denied by the propaganda system. The press and the intelligentsia in general are held to be fiercely independent, critical, antagonistic to the state, even suffused by a trendy anti-Americanism. It is quite true that controversy rages over government policies and the errors or even crimes of government officials and agencies. But the impression of internal dissidence is misleading. A more careful analysis shows that this controversy takes place, for the most part, within the narrow limits of a set of patriotic premises. Thus it is quite tolerable--indeed, a contribution to the propaganda system--for the Free Press to denounce the government for its "errors" in attempting "to defend South Vietnam from North Vietnamese aggression," since by so doing it helps to establish more firmly the basic myth: that the United States was not engaged in a savage attack on South Vietnam but was rather "defending" it. If even the hostile critics adopt these assumptions, then clearly they must be true.”
[WTF??? Earth to Noam, Earth to Noam – Speak English, Goddammit!]
“The absence of official censorship allows room for sometimes vigorous debate among the substantial interests, and fringe and dissident elements are at least allowed to exist and argue, mainly among themselves, but occasionally penetrating to the consciousness of decision-makers, especially on matters of irrational behavior in relationship to establishment objectives.”
[Ok, that's the final straw! This sounds like something right out of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book or it's the winning results of a rigorous game of buzzword bingo. These four quotes come from this source (http://www.zmag.org/quotes/quotesResults.cfm), to show that I'm not biased, and serve to illustrate the elitist pomposity of this fellow. Everyone probably sits in his lectures nodding their heads vigorously and applauding at all the right moments, when they really have no frickin' idea what he's babbling about. A classic mind game of the radical intellectual (“I sound way smarter than you so I must be right”)]
to be continued...
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:40:51 [Permalink]
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Rubysue diatribe continued: Exhibit A, Subpart Two, four selected Chomsky quotes illustrating the principle of “Go for the Jugular” OR “statements so utterly outrageous and breathtaking that they, the unwashed masses, give me, the great Chomsky, a standing ovation every time I utter them…”
"Wealth and power tend to accrue to those who are ruthless, cunning, avaricious, self-seeking, lacking in sympathy and compassion, subservient to authority and willing to abandon principle for material gain, and so on."
[Source: http://burn.ucsd.edu/~anow/ppl/rev/chomsky/quote.html. Gee, I wonder what Chomsky does with his honorariums and book earnings and lecture fees and MIT professor's salary and movie residuals? Gives it all away, I'm sure (this little detail of his life is quite invisible after extensive web searches, so who knows? I would bet the farm, though, that ol' Noam lives pretty high on the hog, in a covert way). Chomsky has also garnered a lot of influence and power due to his viewpoints and writings, so do the descriptions in this quote also apply to him?]
"If the Nuremberg laws were applied today, then every Post-War American president would have to be hanged."
[Source: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3345/chomsky.html. The sophistry of this statement is utterly painful and it is an outrageous insult to American citizens with any moral integrity (something that Noam lost in the linguistics woods a long time ago); it also dishonors the memory of those who were victims of the Third Reich. Of course, I have a dirty secret I've uncovered about Noam that is coming up soon in this diatribe that might explain why he would casually make such a vicious statement!).
"Democracy requires dissolution of private power. As long as there is private control over the economic system, talk about democracy is a joke. You can't even talk about democracy until you have democratic control of industry, commerce, banking, everything..."
[Source: http://burn.ucsd.edu/~anow/ppl/rev/chomsky/quote.html. Oh, goody, yet another tired collectivist utopian vision of a world where we all get to vote on absolutely everything and wear little matching ugly brown suits and drive hideous Trabants or Yugos. In our capitalistic society (something that ol' Noam despises but certainly takes advantage of) we already have freedom of choice in just about every decision that we make (barring criminal behavior), such as choosing a bank or buying a car (or not).The ashes of collectivism can be seen all over the world – it doesn't work, so get over the Marxist love affair!].
" The U.S. will not permit constructive programs in its own domains, so it must ensure that they are destroyed elsewhere to terminate " the threat of a good example".
[Source: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/Chomsky_quotes.html. I've got to be honest with you, I don't get this guy. Is he just annoying or blindingly stupid? More Nobel prize winners, scientific discoveries, innovations, cutting-edge arts and creativity have come out of the American experience than anywhere else in history (prove that I'm wrong, by the way). We're not constructive?? Or are the constructive programs that Chomsky refers to the ones that are back in that ol' collectivist, statist “utopia”?]
to be continued...
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
Edited by - rubysue on 11/02/2001 15:44:53
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
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199 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:41:31 [Permalink]
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Rubysue diatribe continued: Exhibit A, Subpart Three, two selected Chomsky quotes associated with the events on or after September 11, OR, “classic examples of tu quoque red herringism and bin Laden worship…”
“The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal freedom. “
[Source: http://www.theawayteam.com/wtc.html. For an alleged expert in linguistics, ol' Noam can use the fallacious argument better than almost any other radical, left or right, that I've had the displeasure of reading. He immediately veers the discussion to examine past acts by the United States that were allegedly worse than this atrocity as a way of deflecting the discussion into his favorite axe-grinding monologue. I would also guess the stockbrokers and financial analysts and managers who died that day cannot be considered “working people” (oh, I forgot, they deserved what they got because they're capitalist swine). His next immediate reaction is a concern for the fate of the Palestinian people(?), from which I would presume that he anticipated that we would react by nuking every Muslim, Arab and “Freedom fighter” (re: terrorist) off the face of the earth. Makes me sick to read this..]
“The United States wants to silence the one free television channel in the Arab world because it's broadcasting a whole range of things from Powell over to Osama bin Laden. So the US is now joining the repressive regimes of the Arab world that try to shut it up. But if you listen to it, if you listen to what bin Laden says, it's worth it. There is plenty of interviews. And there are plenty of interviews by leading Western reporters, if you don't want to listen to his own voice, Robert Fisk and others. And what he has been saying is pretty consistent for a long time. He's not the only one but maybe he is the most eloquent.”
[Source: http://www.zmag.org/GlobalWatch/chomskymit.htm. There you have it – the words of bin Laden are “worth hearing”. Now this truly fits the definition of “seditious” (go look it up, if you don't believe me). Unbelievable; he probably got a kick out of Hitler, too. Mr. Linguistics also exhibits his appalling lack of grammatical expertise in this quote. Moral relativism at its finest..]
to be continued...
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:42:15 [Permalink]
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Rubysue diatribe continued: Exhibit A, Subpart Four, a quote showing Chomsky's denial of the Khmer Rouge genocide and a link to an article about a 15-year research project unveiling Noam's predilection for anti-semitism, Neo-Nazi friends and Holocaust Denial, with three key quotations. [Warning: These quotes come from websites that do not view Chomsky favorably, so naturally they will be dismissed as lies by Chomskyites; the rest of you can ponder the message and hopefully admire the careful research. There are more meticulous footnotes and references in both articles than in anything that I found from any pro-Chomsky site (and I looked at dozens), including his own, which serves to justify my opinion that he's nothing but hot air without any substance.]
“Nor is there any discussion in the Times of the "case of the missing bloodbath," although forecasts of a holocaust were urged by the U.S. leadership, official experts and the mass media over the entire course of the war in justifying our continued military presence. “
[Source: http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/Politics/chomsky.html. When entering this site, belonging to an economics professor at UCAL/Berkeley, scroll down to the left and find the listing of supporting articles that condemn Chomsky's views. This quote comes from a long article about Chomsky's dismissal of the Khmer Rouge atrocities, viewpoints that Chomsky has desperately tried to deny since expressing them almost twenty years ago. He cannot believe that such “admirable freedom fighters” as the Khmer Rouge could resort to horrifying genocidal tactics that were revealed when the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, so it had to be a myth generated by our lying government. He has also cavalierly dismissed the stunning death tolls that the Stalinist and Maoist/Cultural Revolution totalitarian states created as “exaggerated”. This leads me to his most dirty secret – Professor Chomsky, a Jew by birth, is an anti-Semite and a friend of some of the most vicious Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis, many from France.]
“We might ask how the Times would react to an Arab claim that the Jews do not merit a 'second homeland' because they already have New York, with a huge Jewish population, Jewish-run media, a Jewish mayor, and domination of cultural and economic life.”
[Source: http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/guestcolumnists/cohnpamph09-11-01.htm. This is the first of several outrageous statements attributed to Chomsky in this lengthy, but fascinating article. The next quotation is from a French Holocaust denier named Robert Faurisson, who has actively labored over the years to “prove” that the Holocaust never happened because the primary witnesses were Jews and “all Jews are liars”.]
“The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which opened the way to a gigantic political-financial swindle, the principal beneficiaries of which are the State of Israel and international Zionism, and the principal victims of which are the German people –– but not its leaders –– and the entire Palestinian people. “ Faurisson, Robert, 1985, "Revisionism on Trial: Developments in France, 1979-1983"
[Source: http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/guestcolumnists/cohnpamph09-11-01.htm. Faurisson is a “lovely” gentleman who has been quoted quite extensively by radical Islamists to justify their anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel. He has been rigorously defended by Noam Chomsky and other leftist radicals, many of whom practice a bizarre form of self-loathing (as in the case of Chomsky) and eagerly buy into the revisionism prevalent among radical European academic intellectuals from the far left AND far right. Now, the coup de'grace, a quotation from correspondence made from Chomsky to a colleague indicating his essential agreement with Holocaust revisionist Faurisson…]
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
USA
199 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2001 : 15:50:07 [Permalink]
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I noticed none of the links work in the above entries, so I'll try to paste them in again later (have to run to a company function tonight).
rubysue
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Lisa
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 17:11:28 [Permalink]
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:Standing Ovation:
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Gorgo
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 20:00:04 [Permalink]
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I noticed if you just put in this much, and then click on "QUOTES" it seems to work: http://burn.ucsd.edu/~anow/ppl/rev/chomsky/
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I noticed none of the links work in the above entries, so I'll try to paste them in again later (have to run to a company function tonight).
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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chubby
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 22:38:39 [Permalink]
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This is my first post here on SFN - I admit that I've been a lurker. What a great post, with well thought out arguments, very detailed links to all sources, and a nice acerbic wit!
I noticed that the anti-Semite Mr. Chomsky is under the impression that Rudy G. is Jewish. I don't THINK so. The last time I looked Giuliani was a good Italian last name, and since his grandparents were Italians I seriously doubt if he is one of the "chosen people". Of course, Chomsky probably has it out for Catholics as well. The Nazis were planning on starting to take them out once they were finished with the Jews.
How Noam Chomsky ever got into the position of teaching malleable college students is beyond me. If any of his students are underage, he ought to be locked up for child abuse simply for warping their minds with his garbage.
The definition of linguistics must be "using large words in a random manner in an attempt to intimidate others", since that's obviously what he's doing. Mr. Chomsky must not be a professor of the English language, since his grammatical skills are worse than mine (and I'm just a poor computer jockey).
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Slater
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 22:55:16 [Permalink]
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Wow!
Rubysue we love you.
Where the hell is the icon for cheering? [CHEERS loud and raucous] [no /]
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Piltdown
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 23:12:31 [Permalink]
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Hurray!! Congratulations on a compelling and witty exposition of modern academia's most depraved charlatan. You have explained in full why I have launched my campaign to make "chomsky" the 21st century equivalent of "quisling." He is truly a monster, and the very symbol of everything that is wrong with post-Vietnam American academic culture.
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Trish
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Posted - 11/02/2001 : 23:42:06 [Permalink]
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Applause, standing ovation.......
Rubysue, as always, an excellent post worth reading every word.
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." ~Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/03/2001 : 04:23:42 [Permalink]
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First of all, my remark that you knew nothing about Chomsky and Zinn was based on the comment Rubysue made below. It may be that I've misinterpreted it, but it "seems to say" that Chomsky and Zinn think that the people who were killed 9/11 "deserved it" and that they are appeasers. Even if you've read a thousand of their books and come away with that idea, you know nothing about them.
"Here's the "voice of reason" from the Al Qaeda for you and your appeasing buddies Chomsky, Clark and Zinn to work with to solve this horrifying "racist" (??)* war being waged by the evil, capitalist American swine who only “got what they deserved on September 11
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/03/2001 : 04:39:46 [Permalink]
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Which words are you having trouble understanding?
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Rubysue diatribe continued: Exhibit A: Noam Chomsky, Institute Professor of Linguistics at MIT, prolific author, popular lecturer, observer of American politics and foreign policy.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/03/2001 : 04:50:37 [Permalink]
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Secondly, I am not a defender of Ramsey Clark. I do recommend his book, "The Fire This Time," but even in that he makes some wild statements that don't seem to be backed up very well.
My biggest problem with that is that there was no discussion whatsoever about the book.
Not because it was flawless, but because here you have a former Atty General of the United States (not that that means much to me, but he is one of "them") accusing the Bush administration of all manner of crimes, holding mock tribunals all over the world which found them guilty of those crimes, and the Bush administration and the corporate media don't even have to recognize that Ramsey Clark is alive.
That in and of itself is not that impossible, but add it in with a whole list of other things, and it's quite a remarkable situation.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/03/2001 : 04:54:51 [Permalink]
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What sources do you have for your statements about anti-Semitism and Guliani?
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This is my first post here on SFN - I admit that I've been a lurker. What a great post, with well thought out arguments, very detailed links to all sources, and a nice acerbic wit!
I noticed that the anti-Semite Mr. Chomsky is under the impression that Rudy G. is Jewish. I don't THINK so. The last time I looked Giuliani was a good Italian last name, and since his grandparents were Italians I seriously doubt if he is one of the "chosen people". Of course, Chomsky probably has it out for Catholics as well. The Nazis were planning on starting to take them out once they were finished with the Jews.
How Noam Chomsky ever got into the position of teaching malleable college students is beyond me. If any of his students are underage, he ought to be locked up for child abuse simply for warping their minds with his garbage.
The definition of linguistics must be "using large words in a random manner in an attempt to intimidate others", since that's obviously what he's doing. Mr. Chomsky must not be a professor of the English language, since his grammatical skills are worse than mine (and I'm just a poor computer jockey).
Keep up the good work.
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