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Kilik
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Posted - 11/06/2005 :  20:37:29  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
Interesting info on the Pyramid
http://www.rickrichards.com/egypt/Egypt6.htm


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Why is the photograph of the cartouche in Figure 4 NOT an accurate representation of the SAME CARTOUCHE as depicted in Figure 3?

Based on Col. Howard Vyse's authentic historical record (dated May 27, 1837) I believe the original cartouche discovered in Campbell's Chamber looked exactly like that drawn in Figure 3 (the glob of paint looks like excess paint to me.)

But why does the modern-day photograph look so different from the original drawing of the same cartouche?

I believe that days or years or centuries or millennia later, someone (Vyse? or a modern-day Egyptian restoration project?) realized the circle needed THREE crosshatches inside it in order to correctly spell the letters "Kh" (as in Khufu) and painted three (3) crosshatches in the circle, the middle crosshatch covering the ORIGINAL DOT in the center, which is depicted in Fig.3. But, while the forger(s?) painted the new crosshatches, they inadvertently made another dreadful mistake -— They didn't quite cover up the entire DOT in the center that was originally drawn! (see Fig.3)

Examine Fig.4 again, this time VERY CLOSELY. The middle crosshatch has a very obvious and suspicious bulge in its center. I believe this bulge WAS originally A DOT at one time, particularly on May 27, 1837 when the historic discovery was first made and recorded (drawn.)

If any of you are wondering about the red, ochre paint used (by Vyse) to paint the inscriptions, interestingly enough, the same red, ochre paint the ancient Egyptians used was still in use in 1837.






Info on the Sphinx's underground tunnels
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/HO-OSIRIS.html
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Dr. Joseph Schor of The Schor Foundation. Schor had obtained an annually renewable five-year license to conduct acoustic and radar surveys on the Giza plateau under the direction of Florida State University. Said had entered into a joint-venture with Schor to film the work for a new documentary.

The sight he saw was very different to the one shown to the world on the FOX TV Special. A pile of muddy debris extended from the eastern side of the room and tapered off at the sides into the water. Towards the centre the partially buried enclosure also full of water broke through the debris. Said's crew scraped away at the dirt on the chamber's eastern side to clear a flat area for the camera tripod. It quickly became apparent that a smooth hard surface was becoming exposed. As more was revealed, a dark sarcophagus lid came into view.





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I have found a shaft, going 29 meters [95 feet approximately] vertically down into the ground, exactly halfway between the Chefren Pyramid [the middle pyramid] and the Sphinx. At the bottom, which was filled with water, we have found a burial chamber with four pillars. In the middle is a large granite sarcophagus which I expect to be the grave of Osiris, the god... I have been digging in Egypt's sand for more than 30 years, and up to date this is the most exciting discovery I have made...


1997, in dirt


vs.

1999, submerged in a pool of water
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tumba_osiris/graphics/p

Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  09:02:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
Is there a point to this? Given that the pyramids were built by large gangs of laborers numbering in the tens of thousands as well as thousands of highly paid artizans and overseers, the 100 year mark is not only reasonable but also leaves adequate labor to perform other tasks.

Egyptian society at that time required all commoners to give a month or two in service to the crown in labor on the monuments under construction. After the required service, the commoners returned to their farms. During their time of servitute, they were paid for their labor.

There was an Arthur C. Clarke program on pyramid building which showed that a gang of 30 men could move a 2.5 ton stone from the nearby quarry and place it using simple tools in a few hours. Divide it out by the tens of thousands of manual laborers, and you have a sustainable rate of 6.9 blocks per hour without pushing the limits of safety.

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tw101356
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  10:50:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tw101356 a Private Message
The interior of a pyramid is not made of huge 2 - 2.5 ton stones. It contains a much larger number of much smaller irregular stones. A good explanation can be found here.

The interior stone are very irregular, have small rocks filling gaps, and get smaller the higher up you go. Almost all large stone structures use finished stone only on the facings and have a rubble or rough stone interior. Anything more becomes way too expensive. Even peoples who used slave or forced labor understood economy in building.

- TW
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Kilik
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  11:41:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
They've mostly been able to get to interior more near the upper part of the pyramid.

The article says they do not know for sure if the interior of the Pyramids is how the article thinks
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  12:09:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
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Originally posted by Kilik

They've mostly been able to get to interior more near the upper part of the pyramid.

The article says they do not know for sure if the interior of the Pyramids is how the article thinks



Considering that the original person who tunneled into Khufu's pyramid cut directly into the pyramid instead of finding the door, I would say that the depiction of the interior stones is accurate since that is what they found.

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Kilik
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  13:15:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
But only closer to the upper part

Interesting ideas on here anyways
http://www.jawest.net/gantenbrink.html
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/07/2005 :  13:19:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Yes, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY OF YOUR OWN IDEAS? What the hell is the purpose of this thread, I'm confused. Are you claiming by-proxy that these things dont exist or are faked in some way, if so who/what when etc.

You really need to work on that whole 'thinking' thing.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Kilik
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  01:36:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/764/eg4.htm
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  06:04:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
I know when I think it comes ot in the http: format. Stop posting links and type what you think on these subjects.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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GeeMack
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  08:05:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
Kilik is probably just one of those individuals who lacks the ability to formulate any thoughts of his own. And he also clearly lacks the ability to communicate. Perhaps he sees the rest of the world communicating, perceives it as simply making noise, and in a sort of monkey-see-monkey-do way, feels he must also make noise.

Kilik, here are some words of advice, and I'll try to put this as simply as I possibly can: Other people don't understand you, therefore you aren't communicating. If you have a point, make it. If you're just here to fill this forum with links to other sites, go away. We aren't following your links, and we don't want to be bothered by your noise making. Trust me on this one, every person here is eminently qualified to Google for themselves. We don't need your feeble attempts to help us become better informed.
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Kilik
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  11:08:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
Use your feelings, somethings not right about this whole Giza thing
Edited by - Kilik on 11/08/2005 11:09:06
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  11:11:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

Use your feelings, somethings not right about this whole Giza thing


My feelings keep telling me that they're simply perfectly mundane tombs made by megalomaniac rulers.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

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Kilik
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  12:07:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kilik a Private Message
You need to learn to hear your inner being and inner voice.

Some might simply veiw that from their lower level, as a concience. Your concsience doesn't tell you your thinking is invorrect about the Pyramids?
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  12:09:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

You need to learn to hear your inner being and inner voice.

Some might simply veiw that from their lower level, as a concience. Your concsience doesn't tell you your thinking is invorrect about the Pyramids?


Nope! My conscience is aware it doesn't have any power over reality.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  12:40:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
I think siberia speaks for most of us.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 11/08/2005 12:40:53
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Subjectmatter
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Posted - 11/08/2005 :  12:53:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Subjectmatter a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kilik

You need to learn to hear your inner being and inner voice.

Some might simply veiw that from their lower level, as a concience. Your concsience doesn't tell you your thinking is invorrect about the Pyramids?



*cough* are you listening to yourself? Why are you not embarassed? I'm embarassed, and I didn't even write it. Seek help.

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