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BigPapaSmurf
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 : 13:21:29 [Permalink]
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| Your point is? |
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Kilik
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Posted - 11/07/2005 : 23:56:47 [Permalink]
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http://heritage.chn.ir/en/news/?id=5351
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Tehran - July 13, 2005 (CHN)—Finding ancient tiles that bear mark of swastika shocked the archeologists who were excavating in Tappeh Sabz site in Arjan, south of Iran. The tiles are dated back to the 3rd and 4th millennium B.C.
Arjan, an Elamite town, is located in Khuzestan province, 10 kilometers north of Behbahan. In this archeological site which is expanded over a plot of land of several hectares, archaeologists has managed to unearth numerous artifacts belong to millenniums before Christ.
“Agricultural practices in the site threats the ancient artifacts, so we started to study the site to rescue it. But meanwhile, we encountered some ancient tiles that bear icons of swastika” indicated Mahnaz Sharifi, the head of excavation team.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/08/2005 : 08:34:06 [Permalink]
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Why were the archeologists shocked by the swastikas?
Why is it surprising that some of them were dated 3000 years BC?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/08/2005 : 08:41:00 [Permalink]
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| The archeologists were shocked, Mab, because they incorrectly thought the swastika was of recent invention. But it's been known for decades that it's been used for thousands of years by numerous peoples. It's a simple symbol. Now, if someone were to find something as complex as this on both sides of the Atlantic dating back 5,000 years, then I'd sit up and take notice. |
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pcgeller
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 04:45:22 [Permalink]
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| the hindu symbol is often incorrectly identified as a swaztika. on the traditional hindu simple the arms face the opposite direction as those on a nazi flag |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 07:54:32 [Permalink]
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the hindu symbol is often incorrectly identified as a swaztika. on the traditional hindu simple the arms face the opposite direction as those on a nazi flag
And the Nazi swastika is a reversal of a Jewish mercantile mark. It's not unique to a particular society. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/10/2005 : 08:30:54 [Permalink]
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I'm a bit fuzzy on the etymology here...
Is swastika only used to refer to the Nazi-German use of the symbol, or more?
Never mind, I looked it up in Wikipedia:
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The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit #2360;#2381;#2357;#2360;#2381;#2340;#2367;#2325;, svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. It is composed of su- (cognate with Greek #949;#965;-), meaning "good, well" and asti a verbal abstract to the root as "to be"; svasti thus means "well-being". The suffix -ka forms a diminutive, and svastika might thus be translated literally as "little thing associated with well-being", corresponding roughly to "lucky charm", or "thing that is auspicious".[2] The suffix -tika also literally means mark; therefore a sometimes alternate name for swastika in India is shubhtika (literally good mark). The word first appears in the Classical Sanskrit (in the Ramayana and Mahabharata epics).
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ronnywhite
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 01:42:00 [Permalink]
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DaveW- "It's a simple symbol."
We've found triangles, circles circumscribed with various geometric forms, crosses of all types etc. etc. through much of Man's history of symbolisms... I don't find it any more surprising they found that "here-and-there" than an "E" shape or whatever. If the Nazis had coincidentally used an isocoles triangle as their symbol, I'd find that no more-or-less significant or interesting, although I'm sure spirituality fans would see things otherwise. |
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furshur
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 05:27:55 [Permalink]
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Hey Kilik I am going to go out on a limb here, but I would say that just about everyone here thinks the links you post are childish drivel. I looked at the first thousand or so links and they were all, well... just pretty stupid. I would rather pull out one of my own teeth than go to one more of your links. But hey, thats just me.
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Kil
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 09:43:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
Hey Kilik I am going to go out on a limb here, but I would say that just about everyone here thinks the links you post are childish drivel. I looked at the first thousand or so links and they were all, well... just pretty stupid. I would rather pull out one of my own teeth than go to one more of your links. But hey, thats just me.
That is how the administrators see it too. Kilik has a chance to support a hypothesis by stating what it is and then using links, if he wishes. He must engage in the debate, if there is one, by explaining the relevance of the links in his own words. He is allowed to post only one new thread a week until he demonstrates that he understands how this site works and is willing to follow our guidelines which includes a rule against spamming.
We can only warn a member so many times before further administrative action must be taken. We don't like to ban members. But we will if our warnings are ignored. And right now Kilik's welcome here is wearing thin…
It is important to note that we have never banned a member simply because we didn't agree with what that member is advocating. We have several members in good standing who many of us couldn't agree with less…
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