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pleco
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 Posted - 12/05/2005 : 09:26:58
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Once again the religous folks are all giddy about the release of The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe because of all the christian symbolism. Sorta the same reaction to the Lord of the Ring movies, though I remember those books were controversial when I was coming up (fortunately I went to a private secular school, so I was able to read those and the Catcher in the Rye, Flowers for Algernon, and other "controlversial" books no problem.)
I was wondering what you guys think about this movie and the christian hype surrounding it.
I intend on going, since I enjoyed the book in my youth and think that it is a great story.
C. S. Lewis is a weak christian apologist, but he writes a good yarn.
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astropin
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 Posted - 12/05/2005 : 10:08:31 [Permalink]
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| I'm with you pleco. I could give a rat's ass what the "religous folks" are doing, but I will see the film beacause it was the first novel I ever read and it looks like a decent flick. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 11:07:19 [Permalink]
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The Christian symbolism isnt thick by any means. Now if they crucified the lion, then maybe...
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pleco
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 11:11:48 [Permalink]
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| No it's not thick, and Lewis himself said he didn't intend it to be a christian allegory. |
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Dude
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 12:02:58 [Permalink]
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C.S. Lewis was a very good writer.
The director of this movie is the guy who made the 2 unbelievably successful Shrek movies.
I think it will be a winning combo. I know I plan on going to see it.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/05/2005 : 12:24:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
No it's not thick, and Lewis himself said he didn't intend it to be a christian allegory.
I thought he said he did. (Half-remembered quotes from 25 years ago)
The symbolism isn't thick in LW&W. It gets progressively thicker as the series goes along but never gets "in your face" obvious. It is still an excellent book. I'm actually very interested in what they did with it in the movie. |
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furshur
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Posted - 12/07/2005 : 19:11:38 [Permalink]
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My daughter is psyched to go. The reviews have been very favorable. Now I find out the fundies hate it - well it's a lock, I'm going to see it!
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filthy
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 02:29:52 [Permalink]
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I seem to recall seeing part of a serialized version on PBS some years ago.
I've never read the book and know of it only by reputation, but I too, am looking forward to the film as are ny grandkids.
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woolytoad
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Posted - 12/08/2005 : 03:08:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
I seem to recall seeing part of a serialized version on PBS some years ago.
Yes, it was a British production. I watched it as a kid. The tubby kid loved Turkish Delight. So do I. Yum. |
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 04:11:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
No it's not thick, and Lewis himself said he didn't intend it to be a christian allegory.
Really? I thought that was the whole reason these idiots are encouraging going to see this movie.
Pat Robertson was just gushing today about it. But demanding they not change a word from the book. You'd think he believed it to be a second Bible text or something the way he was going on.
I never heard anything about this until just since the movie was released. I remember the series. It went on like a soap opera, week after week. I could never watch it because it was boring to me at the time.
Makes me wonder if this Jesus thing is a marketing ploy. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 04:39:13 [Permalink]
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I saw it.
I found it to be extremely good, if you like kiddy fantasy as I do. It's a Disney production, after all. The symbolism isn't in-your-face obvious... I mean... just because the lion offered himself in sacrifice to the White Witch to save the Sons of Adam, was sacrificed in a stone table then resurrected in a halo of light, just to disappear again...? Ok, maybe it is in-your-face obvious, but I like it anyway.
I haven't read the books (YET), though. |
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pleco
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 05:58:17 [Permalink]
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I saw it also. It was a faithful reproduction of the book, but less bloddy (the execution of Aslan, for instance). The Queen was the best character portrayed (same actress who was Gabriel in Constantine).
Quite a few church buses at the theater. I felt like a stranger in a strange land lol. |
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astropin
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 10:07:06 [Permalink]
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| I grok that pleco. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 10:23:27 [Permalink]
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| I found an empty theater. Guess Harry Potter assimilated 'em all. Narnia isn't particularly popular here, either. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 11:27:36 [Permalink]
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| It whipped Potter in the states, though Potter has been out for weeks and the Fundie Christians are treating it like required veiwing to get to Heaven. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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hippy4christ
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Posted - 12/13/2005 : 11:33:02 [Permalink]
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| The basic symbolism is: Edmund (the everyman) is doomed to death on the stone table (the ten commandments, the law) because of his sin; Aslan (Jesus) takes his place but breaks the stone table (breaks the power of the law). |
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