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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
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 Posted - 12/09/2005 : 02:03:14
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(Via Mindhacks) Somehow this didn't surprise me:
The kids are all right
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Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the three decades of research showing that children of gay or lesbian parents are just as mentally healthy as children with heterosexual parents
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Patterson's study debunks the myth that children of gay or lesbian parents have trouble developing romantic relationships due to a missing father- or mother-figure–a concern that judges making custody rulings have cited. Equal numbers of teenagers from each group reported that they had been in a romantic relationship in the previous 18 months. Participants from the two groups did not differ in grade point average, symptoms of depression or self-esteem.
Also not very surprising:
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While the sexual orientation of the parents in Patterson's study did not predict the adolescents' social adjustment, the quality of the parent-child relationship did. Children who reported warm relationships with their parents tended to be the most mentally healthy and have the fewest problems in school.
Dr James Dobson seems to disagree though:
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More than ten thousand studies have concluded that kids do best when they are raised by loving and committed mothers and fathers. They are less likely to be on illegal drugs, less likely to be retained in a grade, less likely to drop out of school, less likely to commit suicide, less likely to be in poverty, less likely to become juvenile delinquents, and for the girls, less likely to become teen mothers. They are healthier both emotionally and physically, even thirty years later, than those not so blessed by traditional parents.
(Emphasis mine)
I think i speak for everyone when i say: "Reference, please".
On a personal note: Yay, i found time to post.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 15:41:55 [Permalink]
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As a single mother who is raising a very nice kid, no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no school trouble other than he hates it, no violence and so on, I get very pissed at the constant rhetoric that somehow a mommy and a daddy are the key to successful child rearing. Any child behavior specialist will tell you it is quality not quantity.
The claims are pure myth, just like the myth flu shots make one ill. People have been repeating it for so long no one even notices it is total BS. |
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/09/2005 : 19:23:28 [Permalink]
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Dr James Dobson seems to disagree though:
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More than ten thousand studies have concluded that kids do best when they are raised by loving and committed mothers and fathers. They are less likely to be on illegal drugs, less likely to be retained in a grade, less likely to drop out of school, less likely to commit suicide, less likely to be in poverty, less likely to become juvenile delinquents, and for the girls, less likely to become teen mothers. They are healthier both emotionally and physically, even thirty years later, than those not so blessed by traditional parents.
I don't see much wrong with the above quote. i just feel as though it does not matter how many mothers or fathers there are. (Bolded what I think is a steaming pile.) |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2005 : 04:22:24 [Permalink]
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My sister and I were raised by a single mother, whereas my cousins were raised by traditional 'blessed' mother and father. Ironic how my sister and I are employed, healthy and happy, as well as sisterly to each other whereas my cousins aren't so happy... one is well employed, the other is jobless even when she has two stinkin' diplomes and living with her parents - at age fourty. Both are screwed in the head.
So much for marriages.
* Note: I don't have anything against couples though, same-sex or otherwise, but really folks, like 'gal said, it's quality over quantity. |
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| Edited by - Siberia on 12/10/2005 04:23:40 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2005 : 22:08:59 [Permalink]
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I don't see much wrong with the above quote.
What about the part where he claims there are 10k "studies" that support his assertion?
You don't think he is just pulling numbers out of his ass?
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
198 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2005 : 22:43:08 [Permalink]
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What about the part where he claims there are 10k "studies" that support his assertion?
You don't think he is just pulling numbers out of his ass?
yeah, clearly that's horse shit. what I meant was that kids benifit from having loving parents, that's all. I went to a public high school and I saw a lot of people who did not have that.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 12/10/2005 : 23:18:41 [Permalink]
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| trogdor, it seems obvious (to me at least) that kids will benefit from having loving parents. What the Dobsons of the world are trying to imply (or state outright) is that same-sex parents cannot possibly be "loving" parents, which is absurd. That, coupled with (pun intended) the "10,000 studies" comment, makes his whole statement a steaming pile. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2005 : 12:52:31 [Permalink]
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beskeptical wrote: The claims are pure myth, just like the myth flu shots make one ill. People have been repeating it for so long no one even notices it is total BS.
More specifically, the interpretations of data are pure myth. While there are plenty of studies that show that the kids of two married parents tend to fair better than kids of divorce or single parents, that hardly means that divorce or single parenting is inherently a bad thing. Often they are the much better alternative.
What's that thing I always here skeptics saying... oh yeah: corrolation doesn't equal causality. It may very well be that most divorced and single parents tend to have other, separate problems that are hard on kids, so it's not the divorce itself causing drug use and teen pregnancy, but things like poverty, lack of support from extended family or community, or simply immature or emotionally disturbed parents, etc. It's a damn shame that so many people automatically interpet that sort of data to mean whatever their "common sense" tells them. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2005 : 03:48:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
... It may very well be that most divorced and single parents tend to have other, separate problems that are hard on kids, so it's not the divorce itself causing drug use and teen pregnancy, but things like poverty, lack of support from extended family or community, or simply immature or emotionally disturbed parents, etc. It's a damn shame that so many people automatically interpet that sort of data to mean whatever their "common sense" tells them.
And, it may very well be that much of the supposed data is not even real. Take this site for example, citations given but there are an awful lot of claims there. I have a hard time buying this data, not to mention other variables are clearly not being weeded out in the studies that are real. I don't have time to check but my guess is there are some very small sample sizes and some secondary sources. |
| Edited by - beskeptigal on 12/12/2005 03:51:25 |
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lord_hevonen
New Member
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Posted - 01/02/2006 : 08:10:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Plyss
Somehow this didn't surprise me:
You know, this is interesting: often the claims you hear, even old and familiar ones, simply sound like bunk. You couldn't really make an argument against them, but intuitively you smell horseshit. And then you find a study that says yeah, it is rubbish.
Most of this "Men are from Mars, women from Venus" stuff has always sounded suspicious to me, and i can't really see those "hardwired" differences in the people i know. Then i found the book "Myths of Gender" by Anne Fausto-Sterling questioning many of those claims, and i find it a very interesting book indeed. |
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