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I have an image of a man standing with his fingers stuck in his ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"....

We are casting pearls before swine, I'm afraid.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two days after a U.S. judge struck down the teaching of intelligent design theory in a Pennsylvania public school, the journal Science on Thursday proclaimed evolution the breakthrough of 2005.

Wide-ranging research published this year, including a study that showed a mere 4 percent difference between human and chimpanzee DNA, built on Charles Darwin's landmark 1859 work "The Origin of Species" and the idea of natural selection, the journal's editors wrote.

"Amid this outpouring of results, 2005 stands out as a banner year for uncovering the intricacies of how evolution actually proceeds," they wrote. "Ironically, also this year, some segments of American society fought to dilute the teaching of even the basic facts of evolution."

The journal's editor in chief, Don Kennedy, acknowledged this was a reference to the rise of the theory of intelligent design, which holds that some aspects of nature are so complex that they must be the work of an unnamed creator rather than the result of random natural selection, as Darwin argued.

Opponents, including many scientists, argue it is a thinly disguised version of creationism — a belief that the world was created by God as described in the Book of Genesis — which the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled may not be taught in public schools.

"I think what arouses the ire of scientists (about intelligent design) is … the notion that it belongs in the same universe as scientific analysis," Kennedy said in a telephone interview.

"It's a hypothesis that's not testable, and one of the important recognition factors for science and scientific ideas is the notion of testability, that you can go out and do an experiment and learn from it and change your idea," said Kennedy. "That's just not possible with a notion that's as much a belief in spirituality as intelligent design is."

Intelligent design theory came under review in two U.S. states this year, with a federal judge in Pennsylvania on Tuesday banning the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to evolution in the Dover Area School District.

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[i]Originally posted by [b]Bill Troll Scott[Nobody here has ever suggested anything even remotely like that.

You are in desperate need of much improvement in your reading comprehension skills. For the most part you have presented yourself as a complete idiot. But the possibility does exist that you simply can't understand what you read. I'm still willing to accept that you might suffer from cognitive dissonance. Any way about it the fact remains, you don't have the slightest idea about how evolution works.

But, to humor you, I'll pose a question. You clearly believe life exists. You clearly believe that life did not come to its current form through the process of evolution. What would you suggest is the process that is responsible for bringing about the state of life on Earth as we know it today? Magic?[quote]Yes this great that we have the understanding to combat these mutations but this in no way relates to raptors turning into birds.

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Wow, you are willing to acknowledge the existence of mutations. There may be a glimmer of light at the end of your tunnel. Oh wait, what was I thinking? You don't have the ability to understand the kinds of time frames and numbers of generations necessary for small mutations to accumulate causing major changes in life forms that manifest in what we know of as evolution. Sorry to keep bringing in ideas that are far too complicated for you to grasp.

So back to my previous question: What would you suggest is the process that is responsible for bringing about the state of life on Earth as we know it today?

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Come to think of it, actually, there is a 'reason', of sorts, albeit a blind one. As I have stated, evolution works by random mutation gradualy adapting a species to suit it's environment. Species survival is the 'reason.'

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I will tell you this. It did not start in CD's "warm little pond."

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Originally posted by Bill scott

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Originally posted by filthy

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And your point is....?

Come to think of it, actually, there is a 'reason', of sorts, albeit a blind one. As I have stated, evolution works by random mutation gradualy adapting a species to suit it's environment. Species survival is the 'reason.'

Now see if you can get your friend to get me to pull that one. Or you can try it yourself. I rather doubt if either of you has the knowledge or even the command of language to pull it off -- if indeed Tommy actually made the statement. I'd like to see the orginal posts.

Y'know, it never fails to amaze me that people can come in here claiming greater knowledge than such scientists as Xu, Horner, Clack, Cuffy, Meert, Morton, et al: people who dedicate their lives to their studies. I think it shows a degree of ignorance even beyond misinformed.

1. What is your version of Reality?

2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?

3. Why do you avoid these questions like a rat worried about a snake?

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And your point is....?
(Bill) I did not lie.



Come to think of it, actually, there is a 'reason', of sorts, albeit a blind one. As I have stated, evolution works by random mutation gradualy adapting a species to suit it's environment. Species survival is the 'reason.'

(bill) Here is a news flash: random mutation can not reason. randomness creates dis-information always has and always will. Your staminate is laughable. Your saying that random mutations program death for a reason!!!!! HAHAHAHA A reason and to reason requires fore thought and an end result in mind. You are giving these attributes to random mutations? Ha You just like Tommy now have tried to convince me that random genetic mutinous can program for a reason. with an end result in mind. You are off the charts now with your philosophy. Randomness creates dis-information not programs programmed with and for a reason. GIVE ME A BREAK.




Y'know, it never fails to amaze me that people can come in here claiming greater knowledge than such scientists as Xu, Horner, Clack, Cuffy, Meert, Morton, et al: people who dedicate their lives to their studies. I think it shows a degree of ignorance even beyond misinformed.
(bill) Yeah, what was I thinking? No scientist has ever been wrong. (sigh)



1. What is your version of Reality?
(bill) for the 4th or 5th time now. That the fossil record begins with the creatures in status quo and the TF is a myth and the macro TOE crowd will to go great links and major hand waving to cover up this fact when they could just in fact point out all the 1000's of TF on display at some our fine NHMs if in fact Darwinian TOE were true. But instead the play a game of marry go round and ask the doubter to find his own TF display. (sigh)



2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?
(bill) see above



3. Why do you avoid these questions like a rat worried about a snake?
(bill)Any snakes found on my property are quickly processed into boots, wallets and neck ties. The snakes don't much care for me.

regards Bill

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Originally posted by Bill scott

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Originally posted by pleco

I have an image of a man standing with his fingers stuck in his ears yelling "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"....

We are casting pearls before swine, I'm afraid.

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You must be looking in a mirror...

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Ohhh, here we go. The old "I know you are but what am I?" argument.

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Originally posted by Bill Scott...

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Originally posted by me...

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Originally posted by Bill Scott...

I have learned something new. That Tommy is not the only one of the SFN crew to be delusional with the premises that blind and random genetic mutations can and do program for a reason with a final outcome in mind based on forethought.

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Nobody here has ever suggested anything even remotely like that.

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(bill) umm go back and reread Filthy post he thinks random mutations program for a reason with fore thought and a end result. He said blind random chance programs for survival which of coarse would require prederminded thought and a specific outcome predetermined. Not capable by random mutations. Tommy H tries to spread that garbage as well.

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(bill) Wow! Someone who will actually discuse cosmology. I will tell you this. It did not start in CD's "warm little pond." Let's all imagine if we can a "warm little pond." Maybe, just maybe... Oh brother...

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Originally posted by Bill scott

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Originally posted by filthy

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And your point is....?

Come to think of it, actually, there is a 'reason', of sorts, albeit a blind one. As I have stated, evolution works by random mutation gradualy adapting a species to suit it's environment. Species survival is the 'reason.'

Now see if you can get your friend to get me to pull that one. Or you can try it yourself. I rather doubt if either of you has the knowledge or even the command of language to pull it off -- if indeed Tommy actually made the statement. I'd like to see the orginal posts.

Y'know, it never fails to amaze me that people can come in here claiming greater knowledge than such scientists as Xu, Horner, Clack, Cuffy, Meert, Morton, et al: people who dedicate their lives to their studies. I think it shows a degree of ignorance even beyond misinformed.

1. What is your version of Reality?

2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?

3. Why do you avoid these questions like a rat worried about a snake?

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And your point is....?
(Bill) I did not lie.



Come to think of it, actually, there is a 'reason', of sorts, albeit a blind one. As I have stated, evolution works by random mutation gradualy adapting a species to suit it's environment. Species survival is the 'reason.'

(bill) Here is a news flash: random mutation can not reason. randomness creates dis-information always has and always will. Your staminate is laughable. Your saying that random mutations program death for a reason!!!!! HAHAHAHA A reason and to reason requires fore thought and an end result in mind. You are giving these attributes to random mutations? Ha You just like Tommy now have tried to convince me that random genetic mutinous can program for a reason. with an end result in mind. You are off the charts now with your philosophy. Randomness creates dis-information not programs programmed with and for a reason. GIVE ME A BREAK.




Y'know, it never fails to amaze me that people can come in here claiming greater knowledge than such scientists as Xu, Horner, Clack, Cuffy, Meert, Morton, et al: people who dedicate their lives to their studies. I think it shows a degree of ignorance even beyond misinformed.
(bill) Yeah, what was I thinking? No scientist has ever been wrong. (sigh)



1. What is your version of Reality?
(bill) for the 4th or 5th time now. That the fossil record begins with the creatures in status quo and the TF is a myth and the macro TOE crowd will to go great links and major hand waving to cover up this fact when they could just in fact point out all the 1000's of TF on display at some our fine NHMs if in fact Darwinian TOE were true. But instead the play a game of marry go round and ask the doubter to find his own TF display. (sigh)



2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?
(bill) see above



3. Why do you avoid these questions like a rat worried about a snake?
(bill)Any snakes found on my property are quickly processed into boots, wallets and neck ties. The snakes don't much care for me.

regards Bill

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I don't care much for you, either. Your dishonesty is appalling. I now have no doubt that you lied about Tommy's quote and will continue to lie throughout your tenure here.

And you are a quote miner as well, eh, a clumsey one. I did not say that mutations could reason. I said that species survival was the blind reason for evolution.

Bolded quote: And I have shown you fossils demonstrating demonstrating species in transition. If you want to see an exibit, go to a museum on your own dime. I doubt that you'll understand what you are looking at, but what the hell. Go anyway. It'll distract your mind from the Voices.

You have still avoided question #2 except to refer me to your blither about #1. That is not acceptable. For either query, comes to that. But I think I know why. In the dank void you use to reason with, there is nothing to be found, right?

I'm interested if your contention that evolution claims a lizard might give birth to a bird. This is a straw man right out of the idiot Hovind's playbook. I think I'll shoot it down.

Birds are decended from theropod dinosaurs, not lizards. Further, it implies that a bird hatched from a reptile egg, and that is utter garbage. Because individuals do not evolve, you see. Only populations evolve and they do it over great periods of time. Educate yourself! You haven't the least conception of what you are trying to discuss.

2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?

1. What is your version of reality, if any.

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(bill) I kid you not. Why is it so hard to believe?You said it yourself. That random mutations program for a resaon. And the reason you gave was survival. It takes forethought and predetermanation to program in antisapation of future events such as what would it take to survie? Random chance i.e. random mutations can not reason" for a "reason" It takes logic, forethought, predetermantion etc... etc... to program for a reason. Random mutations do not reason.
They have no logic. And the evolutionists claim that they program by default is a stretch to say the least.

And you are a quote miner as well, eh, a clumsey one. I did not say that mutations could reason. I said that species survival was the blind reason for evolution.

(bill) It takes reason to have a reason.

Bolded quote: And I have shown you fossils demonstrating demonstrating species in transition. If you want to see an exibit, go to a museum on your own dime. I doubt that you'll understand what you are looking at, but what the hell. Go anyway. It'll distract your mind from the Voices.

(bill) Ok?

You have still avoided question #2 except to refer me to your blither about #1. That is not acceptable. For either query, comes to that. But I think I know why. In the dank void you use to reason with, there is nothing to be found, right?

I'm interested if your contention that evolution claims a lizard might give birth to a bird. This is a straw man right out of the idiot Hovind's playbook. I think I'll shoot it down.

(bill) I am not aware of this KH you speak of.

Birds are decended from theropod dinosaurs, not lizards. Further, it implies that a bird hatched from a reptile egg, and that is utter garbage. Because individuals do not evolve, you see. Only populations evolve and they do it over great periods of time. Educate yourself! You haven't the least conception of what you are trying to discuss.

(bill) Oh realax. Lizzard is slang for Dino and you know that. Lizzard/dino whatever who cares? It did not turn into a bird and the NG peice demonstrates that they are still looking for the first rock to say so.



2. With what would you replace evolution in the schools?
(bill) P.E. or study hall.


1. What is your version of reality, if any.
(bill) Macro TOE being void in the place where it should be most abundant.

regards Bill

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I have learned something new. That Tommy is not the only one of the SFN crew to be delusional with the premises that blind and random genetic mutations can and do program for a reason with a final outcome in mind based on forethought. That is so laughable that I don't even need to say anymore.

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This moronic statement speaks volumes for itself.

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Originally posted by moakley
You have been directed to a site that is well respect and whose contributors are professionals with many years of experience in various fields of science, including evolution.

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Respected by you not me. I asked very simply for 5 favorite TF displays and the location of these displays. If CD was correct we should have TF displays stuffed in the basement of the NHM to make room for all the new ones coming. Yet when asked for the location of a display only links to cyberspace are given. Smoke and mirrors continues, how sad.

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Originally posted by moakley
But since you already have your "Truth", your version of "Reality", you simply dismiss Talk Origins as a propaganda site.

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Why can't any of you just give me some locations to some TF displays. Stop reaching in your bag of tricks and spouting off 50 different links to cyberspace and just speak for yourself. If you are up with all your distraction links you can just respond in your own word with a summoned up version and the whole thread will roll smoother.

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Originally posted by Bill scott

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Originally posted by moakley
Your arrogance is clear and your ignorance is safe.

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Thanks and so is yours.

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Originally posted by Bill scott

My question/point was and remains why do evolutionist's feel they have a right to force their philosophy down my kids throat at school when other worldviews are not given the time of day?

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