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the_ignored
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Oh yeah. This ought to be good. Pass the Index to Creationist Claims and some research by the Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies.
Also, Dinosaurs in the Bible?
It's gonna be a long night!
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dude
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 Posted - 01/02/2006 : 23:44:49 [Permalink]
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Thought I was in the humor folder for a minute there.... hehe!
That was an amusing few minutes of reading... didn't get to far into any of those links, but did laugh 
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filthy
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 04:01:45 [Permalink]
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I too, am guilty of merely scanning -- font problems -- but I found it interesting enough to load into a Word document to read that way. I'll do that a little later today.
The guy seems to have a sort of a polite hard-on for Henry Morris, a gentleman I've abused from time to time along with the ICR, an organization steeped in dishonesty and of which he was one of the founders.
Did y'all know that, some years ago, the ICR was state acccreditated to issue Masters Degrees? What were you thinking, out there in CA?! 
Anyhow, I think I'm in for a pretty good read.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 06:38:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by the_ignored...
Oh yeah. This ought to be good.
Whew. I thought it was a put-on, but I guess it's not. I guess it's a site by and for those engaged in creationism apologetics so they can continue to wallow in their ignorance and still feel some sense of being informed and aware. It's pretty sad, really.quote:
Creationwiki: The Encyclopedia of Creation Science...
Contributing editors must believe the universe and life on earth were created by God. We encourage all creationists to get involved with the development of this valuable resource. Learn how to get started by consulting the community portal.
CreationWiki: About...
Advantages of using the CreationWiki:
- Substantiative - community collaboration provides creationism with scientific validation.
- Peer Review - The articles posted on the CreationWiki will be read and critiqued by many others.
- Free Webhosting - Publish on the web without needing your own website.
- Improved Exposure - The CreationWiki is part of the Northwest Creation Network megasite. Our creation science resource site has been online since 1995, contains 5.5GB of data, receives ~2500 hits per day, and is ranked high on most search engines.
The idea of "peer review" sure does get squeezed down to its most definitive sense here. If a seven year old child writes a "scientific" paper and a bunch of other seven year old children review it and approve it, does that make it good valid science? Hmmm. I repeat, it's pretty sad, really.
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godisevil01
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 22:02:32 [Permalink]
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The earth is flat?
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
I just had to point these versus out. This is all too idiotic.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 22:15:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by godisevil01
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
These two are particularly damning, because while christians can always weasel out and say that "the four corners of the Earth" is just a figure of speech, the only way to actually see the entire Earth from a single elevated observation point would be if the Earth were flat. (Or vice versa, that everyone on earth could see the same elevated structure simultaneously.)
Of course, I have no doubt they already have a way to weasel out of these verses anyway.
And welcome to the SFN, godisevil01. 
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godisevil01
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 23:40:04 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by the_ignored
Oh yeah. This ought to be good. Pass the Index to Creationist Claims and some research by the Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies.
Also, Dinosaurs in the Bible?
It's gonna be a long night!
Behemoth is in the bible. Behemoth is suposedly a dinosaur.
Job 40:15-24
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. (big woop...)
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. (starting to sound good...)
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. (wow! his tail is like a cedar tree! this is some genius stuff here!)
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. (yes, let's write a story about a creature who has bones that are as strong as a well-known metal, and act/look like iron bars. people are gonna love a story like this!)
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. (the chief, huh? wow! the word "chief" comes from the Hebrew word "resith", which means "noble", "chief ruler", "select beast of distinction and eminence", an animal that "resides over" all others, he is the "captain", the "commander". this story is getting really fired up now!)
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. (so, all the other animals play on (the) mountains, and the mountains is where he gets his food? this story is such an attention grabber, isn't it?)
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. (i guess this creature just enjoyed getting rest in the shade)
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. (well, that's understandable.)
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. (Behemoth thought he could drink up an entire river, which proves that he thought of himself as very confident, rather than foolish. but who would want to think of themselves as foolish anyway? the writer obviously wanted to tell people that Behemoth could get quite cocky or overconfident at times. interesting story so far, eh?
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares." (wow! he can pierce through traps that only an idiot during this time in history would set upon such a creature!)
Can't you see? Behemoth is a tall tale. Sure, he may resemble Brachiosaurus, Supersaurus, and Ultrasaurus (the largest dinosaur ever), however the part where it just comes to show that this truly is nothing but a tall tale lies within verse 23 (of Job 40). Remember, this verse ESSENTIALLY points out that behemoth thought of himself as cocky or overconfident. Do you honestly think a dinosaur would care about this kind of stuff? This verse has made it very clear that this is only a made up story) |
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godisevil01
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Posted - 01/03/2006 : 23:45:43 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert
quote:
Originally posted by godisevil01
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
These two are particularly damning, because while christians can always weasel out and say that "the four corners of the Earth" is just a figure of speech, the only way to actually see the entire Earth from a single elevated observation point would be if the Earth were flat. (Or vice versa, that everyone on earth could see the same elevated structure simultaneously.)
Of course, I have no doubt they already have a way to weasel out of these verses anyway.
And welcome to the SFN, godisevil01.
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Hawks
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 01:23:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert
quote:
Originally posted by godisevil01
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
These two are particularly damning, because while christians can always weasel out and say that "the four corners of the Earth" is just a figure of speech, the only way to actually see the entire Earth from a single elevated observation point would be if the Earth were flat. (Or vice versa, that everyone on earth could see the same elevated structure simultaneously.)
Of course, I have no doubt they already have a way to weasel out of these verses anyway.
The second quote isn't really impossible on a spherical Earth providing all of the kingdoms only occupy one hemisphere (and you've got a REALLY tall mountain). You can also toy around with your definition of kingdom. Oh yes, weasling is easy. |
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filthy
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 04:07:31 [Permalink]
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I didn't save the link and wish I had, but I read a pretty good speculation that the description of Behemoth was actually that of an hippopotomus. All according to what you read into it, I guess.
Welcome to SFN, godisevil01!
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moakley
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 10:42:59 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 13:53:33 [Permalink]
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Their conclusions are full of holes and some are even stretched beyond factual in the first link.
Example, Bible says don't eat pork. But undercooked meat of any kind from fish to beef to chicken can transmit disease. It's the cooking, stupid, not the selection.
I looked at those leprosy claims before. Check out Leviticus. The priest send visitors with 'lesions' out and they can't enter until the priest OKs their condition. Not one word about hand washing that would prevent way more disease. Not a word about incubation periods and period of communicability. Smallpox and all the rest of the serious diseases that include rashes are infectious before the rashes occur and may or may not continue to be infectious throughout the course of the illness. And Leprosy is the least contagious disease on the planet and would have accounted for way less numbers of persons infected than say TB which has been plaguing mankind since we built the first cities.
I could go on but it is a waste of time. The Creationwiki site is just wishful thinking and hindsight fitting of facts into places they don't fit.
I'm not impressed. It's the same crap that people latch onto and pass on as fact, supposedly 'proving' the Bible, and it is nothing of the kind.
Oh but that's right, I'm a skeptic so naturally I'm going to dismiss all these 'proofs'. |
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godisevil01
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 20:32:31 [Permalink]
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There's a lot of misinterpreted biblical translations out there. The word "earth", in ancient hebrew is translated from the word "erets", which means "land", or "country".
Saying that the land has four corners doesn't really sound like a figure of speech. Just listen: the four corners of the land. There's also: the ends of the land. However, if one were to say "the four corners of the country", or "the ends of the country" it would only make sense if the shape of the referred country was a square, or a rectangle. I've also heard on this one site (that I cannot seem to find anymore, since I found this site on google) that the word "earth", the word "world", or both of them (since I can't remember) is translated by "a forgotten word" (thanks to your truly), which means "ground". I desperately need to find that site again, if I am to verify what the words "earth", and "world" truly mean in the bible. |
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godisevil01
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Posted - 01/04/2006 : 21:43:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by godisevil01
The earth is flat?
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
I just had to point these versus out. This is all too idiotic.
Allow me to examine these versus.
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Alright, I'm gonna start off by saying that if taken 'literally', this verse is nothing short of retarded. Seriously, how does one grasp hold of the ends of (the) land? Land is land. Our planet is a sphere, not a cube. However, this verse says that if one wants to, they can grasp hold of the land, which means all land, which means touching every part of the planet at the same time. Sure, there's oceans, and whatnot, but islands (land) are being constantly formed. How is one able to grasp hold of the earth, which is a sphere, that presumably has 'ends'? If the earth were flat, it would have corners, hence 'ends'. Now, if the earth means "country", then how is one able to, literally touch the entire country. To make things worse, this is only the land part of the country. If one is in a country that has ends, I guess o2 is both limited, and not limited. In other words, this country has a barrier in the air that permits o2 from interacting with the o2 in this country. See what controversy this one verse has brought up? If your country has 'ends', hence corners, and o2 is, well, o2, then what's the point in saying that your country has barriers (in the air)? See how stupid this is getting? If there's two sets of o2, one on each side of the barrier, then one shouldn't disagree when one says: "The corners block me from exiting my country, therefore I live on a cubic planet." This is essential logic, regardless of how retarded it sounds. Lastly, if "earth" means "ground", then I guess the earth isn't just a planet, it's a continent in itself.
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
How does a tree grow as high as the clouds?! And, how can one see, with limited vision, the 'ends' of the land, when the land has no ends (unless you're being specific, and 'land' means 'dry land', such as an island, country, or continent)?! And, how does one survive at such high elevation?! And, how the hell does one get to the top of such a tree?! You'd get to a point where the air is so thin, that you'd blackout due to oxygen starvation!
These are some things that were just begging to be pointed out. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/08/2006 : 09:51:21 [Permalink]
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Looks like "kendemyer" already been busted for quote mining on this thread in Theology Web.
Just read posts #5 and #7. Gee, a lying creationist...who ever would'a thunk it?
Kendemyer is the guy who's apparently helping to set up that creation wiki. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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