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GeeMack
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 Posted - 01/06/2006 : 09:46:15
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Oh no, more Christian persecution again. Those poor babies. Awwwww.quote:
KSNW Refuses to Air 'Daniel'...
Wichita's KSNW Channel 3 will not air "The Book of Daniel" -- a program scheduled to premiere tonight -- after hearing from hundreds of viewers concerned that the show was offensive to Christians.
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In "The Book of Daniel," Aidan Quinn portrays the Rev. Daniel Webster, an Episcopalian minister. According to the show's description on the NBC Web site, Daniel "struggles to be a good husband, father and minister, while trying to control a nagging addiction to prescription painkillers, and an often rocky relationship with the church hierarchy."
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Among the group's criticisms is that the show portrays Jesus -- who appears and speaks to the minister -- as a "good ol' boy, nonchalant, happy-go-lucky kind of guy," Sharp said.
"It's not a true representation of Jesus Christ," he said.
Also offensive, Sharp said, is that the show portrays everyone in the minister's family as dysfunctional: one of his children sells drugs, another is sexually promiscuous, another is homosexual, and his wife is an alcoholic.
One of the saddest parts of this is, it's another clear piece of evidence that at least some Christians don't have enough intelligence to change the channel on their televisions. Or maybe they just support censorship. Darn it, 99% of the Christians making the rest of them look bad again!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 11:34:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
Oh no, more Christian persecution again. Those poor babies. Awwwww.quote:
KSNW Refuses to Air 'Daniel'...
Wichita's KSNW Channel 3 will not air "The Book of Daniel" -- a program scheduled to premiere tonight -- after hearing from hundreds of viewers concerned that the show was offensive to Christians.
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In "The Book of Daniel," Aidan Quinn portrays the Rev. Daniel Webster, an Episcopalian minister. According to the show's description on the NBC Web site, Daniel "struggles to be a good husband, father and minister, while trying to control a nagging addiction to prescription painkillers, and an often rocky relationship with the church hierarchy."
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Among the group's criticisms is that the show portrays Jesus -- who appears and speaks to the minister -- as a "good ol' boy, nonchalant, happy-go-lucky kind of guy," Sharp said.
"It's not a true representation of Jesus Christ," he said.
Also offensive, Sharp said, is that the show portrays everyone in the minister's family as dysfunctional: one of his children sells drugs, another is sexually promiscuous, another is homosexual, and his wife is an alcoholic.
One of the saddest parts of this is, it's another clear piece of evidence that at least some Christians don't have enough intelligence to change the channel on their televisions. Or maybe they just support censorship. Darn it, 99% of the Christians making the rest of them look bad again!
You have WAY to much time on your hands GM. Some fresh air might really do you good.  |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 15:41:01 [Permalink]
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Is "The Book of Daniel" fiction or documentary drama?
If it's fiction, why should they (Christians) care?
If it's a documentary, then the only time they have the right to be concerned is if characters are portrayed falsely.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 15:58:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse...
Is "The Book of Daniel" fiction or documentary drama?
Fiction.quote:
KSNW Refuses to Air 'Daniel'...
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The Rev. Kate Moorehead, rector of St. James Episcopal Church in east Wichita, said she was looking forward to the show. She called the decision not to air it a form of censorship.
"People should understand it as fiction and as a form of art," she said. "And they should be able to judge for themselves whether they want to watch it or not."
The Rev. William James Wood, rector of St. John's Episcopal Church in downtown Wichita, said he wasn't concerned about the show's portrayal of religious leaders and their families.
"I wouldn't get up in arms about that," he said. "This is fiction."
But that matters little to people who are critical of the show.
Persecuted Christians. Wahhh.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2006 : 15:58:25 [Permalink]
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| I saw about 2 minutes of it and turned it off. Totally stupid plot. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/08/2006 : 12:54:18 [Permalink]
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I saw some ads for the show - it did look pretty dumn to me. Shame, 'cause Quin's a good actor.
Last year my cousin Kate had mentioned that she was attending some new Christian sort of club for people 30 and under. She said she joined just for friends and fun, but it sounded a little weird to me. This holiday season Kate - who is 19 years old - referred to herself as a "new Christian", a strange label considering that she was baptised and raised by Christian parents. As soon as she used the qualifier "new", I realized that she's been fully taken in by fundies. *sigh*
It just bugs the hell out of me because I know how this gets translated politically: By distinguishing themselves from mainstream, slack-ass Christians, fundies get to think of themselves as a minority, and minorities can be persecuted. Of course as soon as it suit them politically to think otherwise, suddenly pundits like Bill O'Reilly start throwing out stats about America being 85% Christian. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/09/2006 : 06:38:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I saw about 2 minutes of it and turned it off. Totally stupid plot.
The missus subjected me to about 20 minutes of the stuff. If they showed this to the detainees in Gitmo, I'd be protesting the use of torture.
The plot was labored and unfunny. The characters trapsing through this greivous assault on videotape were seriously disfunctional. At points, the plot wallowed about in a morass of despair and wandered listlessly about searching for a direction in which to obtain adequacy. It never found anything approaching it.
The Christians should just ignore this. It will die a horrible and painful death due to low ratings. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/09/2006 : 07:20:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I saw about 2 minutes of it and turned it off. Totally stupid plot.
The missus subjected me to about 20 minutes of the stuff. If they showed this to the detainees in Gitmo, I'd be protesting the use of torture.
The plot was labored and unfunny. The characters trapsing through this greivous assault on videotape were seriously disfunctional. At points, the plot wallowed about in a morass of despair and wandered listlessly about searching for a direction in which to obtain adequacy. It never found anything approaching it.
The Christians should just ignore this. It will die a horrible and painful death due to low ratings.
Agreed. Christian, skeptic, or just human for that matter, this show is very stupid. It was NBC trying to take the Simpsons or Married with Chilren to the next level of shock, for ratings I presume. The show was just plan retarded weather the fiction family was Christian, Secualar, Post Modern or from Mars. Bad TV is bad TV. NBC has never recovered from losing Jerry Seinfeild IMO. |
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Jason Barker
Skeptic Friend
USA
55 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 12:48:54 [Permalink]
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| I haven't seen the show, but form all the descriptions of it, I'm at something of a loss to see why people think it's so unrealistic and dysfunctional. I've met people that are more dysfunctional than these people sound in high school. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 13:12:30 [Permalink]
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GeeMack wrote: quote:
Darn it, 99% of the Christians making the rest of them look bad again!
That's a new, classic phrase, one that should live in famy. (famy = the opposite of infamy) |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 13:35:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Jason Barker
I haven't seen the show, but form all the descriptions of it, I'm at something of a loss to see why people think it's so unrealistic and dysfunctional. I've met people that are more dysfunctional than these people sound in high school.
1) It's billed as a drama. Drama is supposed to make you think. The inclusion of the Jesus character seems to be more of distracting comic relief than actually plot based. Dammit, I wanted character development and a plot that would make me want to care about these people. Instead, I was rooting for them all to be killed in a fiery car accident.
2) It's billed as fiction, not reality.
3) The characters are screwed up. The inclusion of quirky or odd characters works if they have some sort of hope or purpose. These characters have none of that.
4) You haven't seen the show. Presentation is the key to a successful program. To get people sucked into the program, you have to care about the characters. This program failed horribly in it's presentation. |
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Jason Barker
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 13:53:46 [Permalink]
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It's billed as a drama. Drama is supposed to make you think. The inclusion of the Jesus character seems to be more of distracting comic relief than actually plot based.
Well, no matter how comedic, I'm sure he can't compare to Dogma's "Buddy JEsus".
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The characters are screwed up. The inclusion of quirky or odd characters works if they have some sort of hope or purpose. These characters have none of that.
Ironically, considering my dim view of humanity, that sounds just like real life. ^_~ |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/23/2006 : 06:28:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Jason Barker
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It's billed as a drama. Drama is supposed to make you think. The inclusion of the Jesus character seems to be more of distracting comic relief than actually plot based.
Well, no matter how comedic, I'm sure he can't compare to Dogma's "Buddy JEsus".
The difference here being that "Buddy Jesus" was actually ASSISTING the plot.
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The characters are screwed up. The inclusion of quirky or odd characters works if they have some sort of hope or purpose. These characters have none of that.
Ironically, considering my dim view of humanity, that sounds just like real life. ^_~
Which would make this life badly scripted and even worse concieved. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2006 : 08:06:01 [Permalink]
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| We already knew from the Bible that God is a poor writer. I wouldn't hire him as a script-writer for my life... |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/23/2006 : 09:39:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
We already knew from the Bible that God is a poor writer. I wouldn't hire him as a script-writer for my life...
The Learning Channel has an add campaign for their reality programs of "Life unscripted". I was attempting humor by drawing a parallel between the two and it turned out less than what I was hoping for.
The intent was that this was a poorly scripted simularicum of life not that life in general was poorly scripted. |
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