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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/30/2006 : 15:44:46 [Permalink]
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I have just now posted the following on the DNC Web site:
A 75-25 vote for cloture. "Democratic" Senators who voted to prevent Kerry's filibuster have just lost the support of their most passionate supporters, by caving in to Bush and his right-wing allies. Make no mistake: The "Democrats" who have betrayed their constituents by allowing Alito to be confirmed are not real Democrats, and should be ridden out of our Party on a rail.
Posted by Timesurfer on January 30, 2006 at 05:39 PM |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2006 : 17:08:08 [Permalink]
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Here are the votes on cloture. (Those voting "Yea" were voting to shut off debate on Alito's confirmation, and thus voting against a filibuster. Those voting "Nay" were voting to allow further debate including a filibuster.) This data is from the www.senate.gov Web site:
[Edit: My error. The list below was not from the cloture vote, but from the rollcall for the Patriot Act reauthorization. I'll try to post the correct voting record later.]
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 01/30/2006 20:02:36 |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2006 : 17:13:52 [Permalink]
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Correction: My 75-25 vote total was in error. I'd gotten (or perhaps misread) that figure from CSPAN2's Senate coverage on TV.
The actual figure was 72-25, as some Senators did not vote on cloture. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 01/30/2006 22:41:27 |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2006 : 23:27:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
A 75-25 vote for cloture. "Democratic" Senators who voted to prevent Kerry's filibuster have just lost the support of their most passionate supporters, by caving in to Bush and his right-wing allies. Make no mistake: The "Democrats" who have betrayed their constituents by allowing Alito to be confirmed are not real Democrats, and should be ridden out of our Party on a rail.
No True Scotsman is it?
This is one of those things that amaze me about political affiliations. People on both ends of the spectrum are clearly willing to ignore any evidence that conflicts with their opinion on certain issues, mostly the ones they feel strongly about.
I'm not the only person to have made this observation either. Read for yourself.
But seriously.... as an independent who leans very very far left on social issues and civil liberties, it has been a forgone conclusion that G.W.B. would be putting a minimum of one (possibly two) judges into SCOTUS since his re-election in 2004.
W is going to appease his far-right base in an attempt to keep them voting republican in 2006. He has the pull to make those 55 republican senators vote how he wants them to vote on almost any issue. Add in the 7 dems who teamed up with the manchurian Senator McCain, and the possibility of a filibuster on any W pick is nothing but a pipedream.
None of those senators who were advocating a filibuster were doing anything other than "whipping up the base". They knew, from the getgo, that there was no chance of a filibuster happening, especially with several dems publicly declaring they would vote FOR Alito in the days before Kerry started talking filibuster.
The republicans have refused to compromise since they got their majority. They sure as hell aren't going to start now. The filibuster is the parlimentary tool used to force compromise, but it is out of play with regard to judicial nominations as long as the republicans have a majority.
Getting worked up, to the point of abandoning rational thought, over this issue is the absolute wrong response. Get worked up about W appointing a stealth christian dominionist who believes in unchecked executive power to the court, not because democrats are powerless to stop it at the moment.
Your energy would be better spent convincing some of the non-voting citizenry to get off their asses and make their voices heard in 2006. I strongly suspect that the apathetic 50% of us who don't vote lean more to the left than to the right. As the last two presidential elections have shown, every single vote can matter.
Spend some time making sure that your local voting district is set up fairly, that there are enough machines in the right places to make voting accessible to everyone who wants to cast a vote. Volunteer at a polling center to assist those who need help understanding how to operate a voting machine.
Write letters to editors of your local papers, start a blog and write daily updates. Include info on issues that will be on the ballot, talk about candidates, talk about issues the candidates are talking about. Spend $100 and advertise your blog locally, most communities have a free newspaper that you can get a nice sized add in for cheap.
Volunteer your time with your local party of choice. Spend some time helping your chosen candidate get their message out to your local community.
There are so so many things you can do that will help make a difference.
What you shouldn't do, however, is abandon rational thinking in favor of emotional arguments. Don't go calling for the rail-roading of people in your own party just because they recognize a battle they can't win is not one worth the effort of trying to fight.
Even Kerry, Kennedy, and Clinton(Hillary) are acutely aware that their grandstanding was futile. They did it just to make a statement. (a statement that I essentially agree with, mind you) And they also, obviously, gain some political traction by calling for a filibuster... as evidenced by HalfMooner calling for driving people out of the party if they didn't support the call for filibuster.
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Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2006 : 23:54:37 [Permalink]
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Dude:
I'm not worked up because Democratic senators aren't able to stop Alito. I never realistically expected they could, given the numbers.
I am angry at those Senators in my Party who did not go all the way in trying to stop him. A filibuster would have been a serious attempt at stopping Alito. Merely voting against Alito tomorrow while previously voting against the filibuster will be a mere sop to Democratic Party activists and ideals.
Monday was "put up or shut" up time. A score of the Democratic senators simply "shut up." I will remember them, just as I will remember the 25 who had the guts to "put up" and support a filibuster. Both these groupings of Democratic Senators have shown their true stripes, as have their lock-stepping Republican colleagues, who all voted for cloture.
(BTW, by voting to stop a filibuster, Senator McClain has violated an old tradition in which both Arizona and New Mexico senators have customarily opposed cloture to stop filibusters. This tradition started after a filibuster was used to get those two states admitted to the Union.)
Had the Democratic senators been as united as the Republicans were, the loture vote would have failed, and a filibuster could succeed. It makes me laugh when Republicans complain about Democratic "partisanship," when they are the party that usually looks like marching identical clones. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 01/31/2006 00:12:34 |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 03:59:22 [Permalink]
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I was disgusted. Whimps.
I will be out banging my pots and pans tomorrow during W's speech. There is a movement going on out there whether the Democrats in office are aware of it yet or not. "I am woman, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore!" |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 04:28:31 [Permalink]
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The quistlings: quote:
THE VICHY DEMOCRATS
Courtesy of Booman:
Akaka
Inouye
Cantwell
Rockefeller
Byrd
Bingaman
Lieberman
Nelson (FL)
Nelson (NE)
Baucus
T. Johnson
Dorgan
B. Lincoln
Salazar
Conrad
Landrieu
Pryor
Carper
Kohl
I don't know what to DO with this list, not yet -- but I know for GODDAMNED sure I won't be VOTING for any of them, lt alone sending them any goddamned MONEY.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 04:51:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
The quistlings: quote:
THE VICHY DEMOCRATS
Courtesy of Booman:
Akaka
Inouye
Cantwell
Rockefeller
Byrd
Bingaman
Lieberman
Nelson (FL)
Nelson (NE)
Baucus
T. Johnson
Dorgan
B. Lincoln
Salazar
Conrad
Landrieu
Pryor
Carper
Kohl
I don't know what to DO with this list, not yet -- but I know for GODDAMNED sure I won't be VOTING for any of them, lt alone sending them any goddamned MONEY.
Cantwell will get a piece of my mind, that's for sure, along with her torn to shreds request for money. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2006 : 06:27:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Dude:
I'm not worked up because Democratic senators aren't able to stop Alito. I never realistically expected they could, given the numbers.
I am angry at those Senators in my Party who did not go all the way in trying to stop him. A filibuster would have been a serious attempt at stopping Alito. Merely voting against Alito tomorrow while previously voting against the filibuster will be a mere sop to Democratic Party activists and ideals.
Monday was "put up or shut" up time. A score of the Democratic senators simply "shut up." I will remember them, just as I will remember the 25 who had the guts to "put up" and support a filibuster. Both these groupings of Democratic Senators have shown their true stripes, as have their lock-stepping Republican colleagues, who all voted for cloture.
(BTW, by voting to stop a filibuster, Senator McClain has violated an old tradition in which both Arizona and New Mexico senators have customarily opposed cloture to stop filibusters. This tradition started after a filibuster was used to get those two states admitted to the Union.)
Had the Democratic senators been as united as the Republicans were, the loture vote would have failed, and a filibuster could succeed. It makes me laugh when Republicans complain about Democratic "partisanship," when they are the party that usually looks like marching identical clones.
I'm not as rock solid against Alito as I once was. Yes, he held memberships in some pretty questionable organizations. Yes, he did some rants during rulings. But Senator Byrd came out for him. And one thing Byrd is known for is defending the Constitution.
There's something rotten in the state of Denmark and I'm not quite sure what. Until then, I'm not pleased with the candidacy of Alito, but there may be something of merit that has been glossed over. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Dingaling
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