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Fine. But let them hire and pay for their own defense. Here the ACLU picked up a case they had no obligation to and willingly and knowingly helped conceal the man/boy pervs.

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So you justify and defend the ACLU's gross alignment with child pervs by pointing out other deviant behavior by other groups?

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I think that I am begining to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality. NAMBLA is an easy and unpopular, rightly unpopular in my book, target.

As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory, and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?

Never the less, as citizens of this country, they cannot be deprived of their rights accorded by the Constitution unless they've committed or attempted to commit, or conspired to commit a crime. And in that case, emperical evidence is required for proscution -- much more difficult to aquire, for any crime, than to just shout about the injustice of it all. The case Bill cited in another thread was the culmination of a lot of hard work; they all are.

The law, applied properly and in accordance with the Constitution, works.

How'd we get off on to this? I thought it was all about Bill O'Reilly, the blatherskite, stalker, and dildo fancier.

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I think that I am beginning to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality.
(bill) Look, if two grown men want to pack fudge in the privacy of their own home then I agree, there is not much the govn't, or anybody else, can do to stop this deviant activity. However, I am sure the govn't will be called upon to pay for their aids medical bills in the end so how ironic is that? But that is another discussion. But once the homo's cross the line and start ass raping little boys and then flaunting, promoting, encouraging this behavior on the WWW then not only is it the right of the gov. to step in but it is their sworn duty to protect society from such an element. Once the deviants go for children the sodomy laws must be inforced and society purged of this cancer.
Of coarse 96% of the crime is down by hetro. 99.5 out of every 100 males are hetro. So in reality the homo child/perv is more active per capita.


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As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory,
(bill) Not per capita

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Standard homophobic bullshit. Assumes per capita relevance in the face of multiple victims per offender. Incidence of single victim per offender is more prevalent in heterosexual statutory rape.

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and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?
(bill) Nothing surprising to me about roman Catholicism, except maybe the scope of homo's serving in their priesthood and man/boy homo's on top of it, who were kept secret for so many years. Unbelievable. It sounds like a twisted horror pic.

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Standard homophobic and anti-Catholic rhetoric which ignores the same abuses within the Prodestant churches.

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Fine. But let them hire and pay for their own defense. Here the ACLU picked up a case they had no obligation to and willingly and knowingly helped conceal the man/boy pervs.

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If you have evidence of this, go to your State's Attorney's office and file charges. All your ranting here isn't getting anything done. Imagine how many abuses you could prevent if you'd invest your effort in the right direction to help bring this situation under control. But instead, you're just hanging around here making noise. Don't you realize you're actually delaying the results you seek? Maybe you don't see that you're contributing to the kind of abuse that you find so appalling. The whole time you've been here there have been X number of those vile and disgusting incidents, and you didn't lift a finger to stop it. How does it feel to be actively promoting even more of that kind of activity, Bill?

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Americans in mass are turned off by fanatics from the left or the right and consider them irrelevant.

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Americans in mass are turned off by fanatics from the left or the right and consider them irrelevant.

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I did. And I have been personally responsible for charges against 3 pervs so far with more to come. The great thing about the freedom of being anonymous is that I get to be anonymous as well. You should see the pervs face when they find out their correspondence was not really with an 8 year old kid. That alone is worth the price of admission.

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I did. And I have been personally responsible for charges against 3 pervs so far with more to come. The great thing about the freedom of being anonymous is that I get to be anonymous as well. You should see the pervs face when they find out their correspondence was not really with an 8 year old kid. That alone is worth the price of admission.

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It should have been clear to anyone with the reading comprehension skills of a fifth grader that I meant for you to call your State's Attorney and file charges against the ACLU. But you have proven that you either don't want to understand, or are simply incapable of understanding the issue, so it's no surprise that you've made yourself look like an imbecile once more. We can happily just accept you as a troll with nothing better to do than rant on a forum instead of actively doing something about your complaints.

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So you justify and defend the ACLU's gross alignment with child pervs by pointing out other deviant behavior by other groups?

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There's nothing like completely missing the point, is there, Bill?

Please point exactly where I "justify and defend" the ACLU by using, in my words, a red herring? I want the EXACT words.

I am merely showing you that your narrow world view has pre-packaged "enemies" (courtesy of such scumbags as Limbaugh, Coulter, and O'Reilly) that are easy for you to target. Yet, you have spent no time accusing and attacking other who are also just as guilty.

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Originally posted by filthy

I think that I am begining to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality. NAMBLA is an easy and unpopular, rightly unpopular in my book, target.

As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory, and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?

Never the less, as citizens of this country, they cannot be deprived of their rights accorded by the Constitution unless they've committed or attempted to commit, or conspired to commit a crime. And in that case, emperical evidence is required for proscution -- much more difficult to aquire, for any crime, than to just shout about the injustice of it all. The case Bill cited in another thread was the culmination of a lot of hard work; they all are.

The law, applied properly and in accordance with the Constitution, works.

How'd we get off on to this? I thought it was all about Bill O'Reilly, the blatherskite, stalker, and dildo fancier.

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I think that I am beginning to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality.
(bill) Look, if two grown men want to pack fudge in the privacy of their own home then I agree, there is not much the govn't, or anybody else, can do to stop this deviant activity. However, I am sure the govn't will be called upon to pay for their aids medical bills in the end so how ironic is that? But that is another discussion. But once the homo's cross the line and start ass raping little boys and then flaunting, promoting, encouraging this behavior on the WWW then not only is it the right of the gov. to step in but it is their sworn duty to protect society from such an element. Once the deviants go for children the sodomy laws must be inforced and society purged of this cancer.
Of coarse 96% of the crime is down by hetro. 99.5 out of every 100 males are hetro. So in reality the homo child/perv is more active per capita.


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As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory,
(bill) Not per capita

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Standard homophobic bullshit. Assumes per capita relevance in the face of multiple victims per offender. Incidence of single victim per offender is more prevalent in heterosexual statutory rape.

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and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?
(bill) Nothing surprising to me about roman Catholicism, except maybe the scope of homo's serving in their priesthood and man/boy homo's on top of it, who were kept secret for so many years. Unbelievable. It sounds like a twisted horror pic.

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Standard homophobic and anti-Catholic rhetoric which ignores the same abuses within the Prodestant churches.

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Homophobic? The homophobic card? Pretty standard response here. Not surprised that you feel the need to point in the other direction when you see the obvious fact that the ACLU aided homo child pervs. Your default answer of "christians do it" really does not help you or your cause of being a true skeptic. Americans in mass are turned off by fanatics from the left or the right and consider them irrelevant. When your so bent against one group that you just respond by default with your response you may get a few high fives from your boys that hang out at sfn but you are as irrelevant to the rest of the world as Rush L. is to the fringe left.

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Why would I file charges against the ACLU? First off I don't even live in Boston and second the whole basis coming from the SFN crowd for the last 50 post or whatever is that the ACLU is defending the pervs rights to remain anonymous and this perfectly legal. Come on gee keep up here. For my last 15 posts I have made it clear that I understand the ACLU was in their legal rights to defend pervs. My point was/is/remains that the ACLU made a immoral choice and decided to throw the kids under the bus in defence of the homos child pervs right to be secret. Come on Gee, I expect more from you..

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Originally posted by filthy

I think that I am begining to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality. NAMBLA is an easy and unpopular, rightly unpopular in my book, target.

As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory, and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?

Never the less, as citizens of this country, they cannot be deprived of their rights accorded by the Constitution unless they've committed or attempted to commit, or conspired to commit a crime. And in that case, emperical evidence is required for proscution -- much more difficult to aquire, for any crime, than to just shout about the injustice of it all. The case Bill cited in another thread was the culmination of a lot of hard work; they all are.

The law, applied properly and in accordance with the Constitution, works.

How'd we get off on to this? I thought it was all about Bill O'Reilly, the blatherskite, stalker, and dildo fancier.

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I think that I am beginning to understand. Bill is not so much concerned with paedophilia as he is with homosexuality.
(bill) Look, if two grown men want to pack fudge in the privacy of their own home then I agree, there is not much the govn't, or anybody else, can do to stop this deviant activity. However, I am sure the govn't will be called upon to pay for their aids medical bills in the end so how ironic is that? But that is another discussion. But once the homo's cross the line and start ass raping little boys and then flaunting, promoting, encouraging this behavior on the WWW then not only is it the right of the gov. to step in but it is their sworn duty to protect society from such an element. Once the deviants go for children the sodomy laws must be inforced and society purged of this cancer.
Of coarse 96% of the crime is down by hetro. 99.5 out of every 100 males are hetro. So in reality the homo child/perv is more active per capita.


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As Val has stated, hetrosexuals are by far more predatory,
(bill) Not per capita

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Standard homophobic bullshit. Assumes per capita relevance in the face of multiple victims per offender. Incidence of single victim per offender is more prevalent in heterosexual statutory rape.

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and something that seems odd to me is that a fair percentage of these scumbags, at least the ones we are likely to read about, are quite religious. Seems something of a contradiction, doesn't it?
(bill) Nothing surprising to me about roman Catholicism, except maybe the scope of homo's serving in their priesthood and man/boy homo's on top of it, who were kept secret for so many years. Unbelievable. It sounds like a twisted horror pic.

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Standard homophobic and anti-Catholic rhetoric which ignores the same abuses within the Prodestant churches.

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Homophobic? The homophobic card? Pretty standard response here. Not surprised that you feel the need to point in the other direction when you see the obvious fact that the ACLU aided homo child pervs. Your default answer of "christians do it" really does not help you or your cause of being a true skeptic. Americans in mass are turned off by fanatics from the left or the right and consider them irrelevant. When your so bent against one group that you just respond by default with your response you may get a few high fives from your boys that hang out at sfn but you are as irrelevant to the rest of the world as Rush L. is to the fringe left.

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Nope. Seen this argument so many times, it bores me.

In the face of refuting evidence, the person ranting against homosexuality invariably points to homosexual male statutory rape. When it is pointed out that heterosexual males commit far more statutory rape, the person ranting against homosexuality invariably takes statistics out of context and draws an invalid per capita argument to further make a case that homosexuals are inherently more dangerous.This flies in the face of scientific peer-reviewed studies on pediophilla.

To further diffuse the target, they tangetally attack the Catholic preisthood. When it is pointed out that the Prodestant church is just as apt to commit the same abuses, they then claim that the person is using a "well everyone does it" defense.

From the list of 101+ odd games fundies play you have exhibited

5. "Sin of the Day", also known as "Your sin's bigger than mine" -- When a sinscreamer gets nailed for committing what he has said is a sin, he claims that the "sin of the day" (currently this appears to be homosexuality) is more awful than anything else in all recorded history, and continues his rant while ignoring his own faults. After all, HIS sins are not as important.

28. "Facts and analysis are malarkey" approach to a discussion. Instead of addressing the points raised, merely keep repeating (with no evidence or rationale) that the opposing argument is "nonsense. Interesting enough, THIS particular version is usually used when discussing scientific matters such as evolution, with the claim that THEIR approach is "scientific".

51. The "he who yells the loudest, is the rightest" ploy. This normally involves putting their entire post in caps, perhaps with artificially enlarged text.

58. "The Big Lie". Most fundie statements involve use of "The Big Lie". They just repeat some hate-filled piece of sewage over and over again so often they think people will believe it just because of repetition.

67. The "Kicking the shmoo" game. Fundies are usually under the impression that everyone but themselves are "shmoos". A "shmoo" was a mythical creature from the "Little Abner" cartoons. A shmoo always loves to be kicked around and just LOVES anyone who kicks them. Fundies have a hard time believing that anyone they assault isn't a shmoo who should be SO thankful for the abuse! Their victims are supposed to lie down on the ground and thank the fundies for beating them because anything less would be "intolerance", "opposing free speech", and "persecution" of the fundies. Somehow fundies seem unable to understand the concept that self defense (against them) is justified.

79. "Agumentum ad furious assertion" involves the fundie asserting the same thing over and over again without any proof, acting indignant that anyone could POSSIBLY think he is wrong.

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Your rant about my rant on homos is unfounded. I clearly said if grown homos want to back fudge in their own house there is nothing to stop them. My rant was/is/remains with the ACLU and their willingness to defend the rights of those who seek man/boy sex even though the ACLU has no legal obligation to do so. How many times do I have to explain this?

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Bill: I agree. If the NAMBLA site simple had some text that states they believe man/boy sex should be legal then that in itself is not a crime. However, if the site had any information or imagery of any kind then I would call it a child porn site and would hope that under the law the site and those who visit would be subject to monitoring by officials.

Me: So you admit to not knowing what was on the website but were gung-ho to violate the people's right of free association and instead lable them pervs.

Bill: The ACLU had no oblagation to defend the pervs but rather choose to anyway and that is my beef with the ACLU. Yes it is my opinion but it shared with many. If you can gloss over a 8 year old boy being ass raped by a full grown man in favor of protecting the fags "rights" to full internet access then I guess this where our opinions split.

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Bill: But once the homo's cross the line and start ass raping little boys and then flaunting, promoting, encouraging this behavior on the WWW then not only is it the right of the gov. to step in but it is their sworn duty to protect society from such an element. Once the deviants go for children the sodomy laws must be inforced and society purged of this cancer.
Of coarse 96% of the crime is down by hetro. 99.5 out of every 100 males are hetro. So in reality the homo child/perv is more active per capita.

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To further diffuse the target, they tangetally attack the Catholic preisthood. When it is pointed out that the Prodestant church is just as apt to commit the same abuses, they then claim that the person is using a "well everyone does it" defense.
(bill) You a clown dude. The SFN crew keeps bringing religion into this not me. The talk was on why the ACLU feels the need to protect homo pervs right to operate in secret? That was the talk!!!!!! The SFN crew keeps wanting to shift the talk from ACLU protecting child pervs to "religious people do it to, religious people do it to." I never said religious people did not do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did say clearly and more then once that if a conservative religious fathers group wanted to start a site that indorses incest and the ACLU defended their right to do this in secret then I have the same position as I have now. Now read this again so that you I don't have to repeat this for a 5th time.

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From the list of 101+ odd games fundies play you have exhibited

5. "Sin of the Day", also known as "Your sin's bigger than mine" -- When a sinscreamer gets nailed for committing what he has said is a sin, he claims that the "sin of the day" (currently this appears to be homosexuality) is more awful than anything else in all recorded history, and continues his rant while ignoring his own faults. After all, HIS sins are not as important.
(bill) You use this well. I ask why ACLU defends the rights of homo child pervs? And every post after this you repeat over and over and over "religious people do this more, religious people do this more etc..." The fact that religious people are involved does not change the fact one bit that the ACLU defends the right of homo child pervs.

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28. "Facts and analysis are malarkey" approach to a discussion. Instead of addressing the points raised, merely keep repeating (with no evidence or rationale) that the opposing argument is "nonsense. Interesting enough, THIS particular version is usually used when discussing scientific matters such as evolution, with the claim that THEIR approach is "scientific".
(bill) Hey, the fact remains that .5% of the males are homo but they commit 4% of child rape.

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51. The "he who yells the loudest, is the rightest" ploy. This normally involves putting their entire post in caps, perhaps with artificially enlarged text.
(bill) Nobody at SFN does this?.

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58. "The Big Lie". Most fundie statements involve use of "The Big Lie". They just repeat some hate-filled piece o