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To head off a counter-agrument:
"Animals kill each other all the time. But we outlaw murder. (sigh)"
"Murder" does not exist outside of humans. In human society, it is not conducive to the survival of the species. Death is natural, and so far we haven't found anything yet to stop that.
"Homos humping each other is not conducive to the survival of the species either (sigh)."
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 07:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Why would I file charges against the ACLU? First off I don't even live in Boston and second the whole basis coming from the SFN crowd for the last 50 post or whatever is that the ACLU is defending the pervs rights to remain anonymous and this perfectly legal. Come on gee keep up here. For my last 15 posts I have made it clear that I understand the ACLU was in their legal rights to defend pervs. My point was/is/remains that the ACLU made a immoral choice and decided to throw the kids under the bus in defence of the homos child pervs right to be secret. Come on Gee, I expect more from you..
So far you have provided exactly, every bit as much evidence that the people being defended by the ACLU are child raping perverts as you have provided to show that you are a child raping pervert. You keep calling them perverts, but you haven't brought in any evidence to show that they are. So if you expect anyone to accept your comments that those who the ACLU is defending are in fact immoral homosexual degenerates, you must, by that same logic and by that same evidence, admit that you are an immoral homosexual degenerate. Around here the deal is, you make the claim, you prove it. If you can't prove it, what you say will be taken with no more validity than from any other mouthy troll.
There are a few things you have proven, by providing evidence, beyond a shadow of a doubt. One, you're willing to make totally unevidenced assertions. Two, your reading comprehension skills are radically sub-par (that's giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you actually are an adult, since you haven't provided any evidence to indicate that you are). And three, you have an extremely keen interest, some might even say an obsession with non-consensual homosexual child/adult sexual activity. For some reason you just can't stop thinking about people raping children. Come on Bill, I don't expect any more from you. 
You keep calling them perverts, but you haven't brought in any evidence to show that they are. So if you expect anyone to accept your comments that those who the ACLU is defending are in fact immoral homosexual degenerates,
(bill) They were supporting a web site that promoted the act of man/boy sex and wanted to remain anonymous. If I was funding such deviant behavior I would want to remain unknown as well. Why would anyone want man/boy sex to be legal if they were not a homo child perv? If you can not connect the dots here gee then I am sorry but I can no longer help you.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 07:53:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=natural
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nat·u·ral ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nchr-l, nchrl)
adj.
Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:07:24 [Permalink]
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Let's try again...
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The thread started with Bill O and went to ACLU. One of my problems with the ACLU is that they choose to fight for the rights of men who operate a site that is in favor of man/boy sex.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:09:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
So gay partnerships don't produce offspring without additional material. Big deal. By that standard the elderly should never remarry when widowed now should they? How unnatural.
And while I admit to not reading every word in your rants, Bill, I don't see in your summary of personal views any response to my question about public defenders representing child rapists, your tax dollars paying the salary of those public defenders nor do I find your response to my examples of innocent persons accused of child rape. Could you address those issues please?
So gay partnerships don't produce offspring without additional material. Big deal.
(bill) No, it is a very big deal. It empirically demonstrates that homo sex is unnatural in any worldview you care to subscribe to. You must have male and female involved in sexual relations to create a society. Without this the civilization is doomed. Yes you can artificial impregnate a women. But this still requires a man and a women and it is not natural. You CAN NOT artificially impregnate a man with man's sperm nor can impregnate a women with some women sperm. It takes male and female for society to advance, period. This is just the way natural selection, or the creator, which ever you subscribe to, designed it. This can not be disputed. It is a clear fact of reality. If you choose to spin, ignore, or to deny reality then I can no longer help you.
No, Bill. unnatural means not occurring in nature. Homosexuality occurs in nature in over 50 distinct species. Therefore, it is natural. Homosexuality does not produce offspring. All that statement does is identify that this sexual genetic predisposition does not conform to the mechanism of sexual reproduction. Neither does hetrosexual sex between sterile subjects. Yet you refuse to call this unnatural. We do not ignore these facts, we just refuse to allow you to redefine what the word "natural" means.
No, Bill.
(bill) Yes dancer
unnatural means not occurring in nature. Homosexuality occurs in nature in over 50 distinct species.
(bill) This does not make it a natural act. Only the hetro animals will advance the speices. The homo penguins, lions, tigers, and bears (oh my) will all die off and leave us with nothing if left to their own.
See pleco's quote from the dictionary. Or do you not recognize that as valid? That they don't produce offspring does not make it unnatural.
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Therefore, it is natural.
(bill) Just because an animal performs an act, this by default, does not make it natural. A male dog might be seen trying to hump another male dog and the homo naturalist will scream, "look, look, a homo dog." They fail to realize that 5 minutes before he was humping his buddy he was trying to hump his masters leg, 5 minutes before that he was trying to hump the telephone pole. Humping a telephone poll is not natural dog activity just because the dog tried to do it.
By your standard a doctor performing an artificial pregnancy is natural. Man, which is an animal, performed the act so it must be natural. (sigh)
"Mounting" is a natural behavior. That it is not forwarding the continuation of the species is irrelevant. There is no such thing as an artifical pregnancy. There are pregnancies which are facilitated by science and since they do not occur by natural means, they can be considered unnatural in mechanism of fertilization technique.
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Homosexuality does not produce offspring.
(bill) So a society full of homos dies out, while a society full of hetros creates generations. That is just the facts of life bro weather you like them or not.
The reproductive capacity of homosexual vs heterosexual communities is not at issue. And sexuality is not a lifestyle or society, it is a sexual genetic predisposition. "Thug" is a society or lifestyle. "American" is a lifestyle or society.
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All that statement does is identify that this sexual genetic predisposition does not conform to the mechanism of sexual reproduction.
(bill) Which means that homo society, on their own, would die out in a generation or two. While hetor society, on their own, would thrive. That is nature dude and your just out of luck if you don't like this.
Again, you equate facts which are not in dispute with me not liking the results of the facts and not the objection to redefining the word "natural".
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Neither does hetrosexual sex between sterile subjects. Yet you refuse to call this unnatural.
(bill) AGAIN, if a tool does not work because of age, or it had a defect, this does not mean the tool is unnatural. If you try to use a hammer to pound a nail and the handle breaks this does not mean it is unnatural to use a hammer to drive a nail. Come on, this is not that difficult.
Now, if you try to use a tool for a job it was not designed for (example: a wrench to pound a nail, a hammer to turn a nut, put a penis inside an anal) then this would be an example of unnatural tooling. Again, I am surprised that you are struggling to grasp this.
Bill, your premise is that homosexuals are unnatural because they are incapable of breeding. Since that can also be applied to your "broken tools" analogy, you now need to shift to abnormal use of body parts. Many heterosexual couples also engage in anal sex, the porn industry has a subsection devoted to this kind of fettish. And then there is the oral sex and body rubbing aspects of fettishism. I'm not surprised that you lack the understanding of sexual fettishism which invalidates your position.
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We do not ignore these facts,
(bill) The lengths you will go to to prop up your smoke and mirrors and denial that homo sex is unnatural is nothing short of amusing
we just refuse to allow you to redefine what the word "natural" means.
(bill) Rather we must use your definition right? (sigh) 
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:14:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Bill, you forget one little fact. Not all homosexuals are unable to produce viable offspring with partners of the opposite gender. The same is true for humans and animals. Many men and women who are homosexual do produce living, fertile, healthy offspring with partners of the opposite sex, whether by reproductive drive to have offspring (contrary to their own taste) while engaging in their activities with others of the same gender. Only because a stallion likes to hump another stallion and even prefers to do so (this has been observed both in the wild and in captivity) doesn't mean he won't hump a mare when she's breedable. Mares often hump each other, as well, and will shun a male from their presence if they aren't breedable.
Face it, Bill. No matter how much you try, your opinion won't change reality.
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Place 50 heterosexual males in an island and you'll get... what?
The same is true for humans and animals.
(bill) What is the difference between humans and animals? I thought humans were animals?
Many men and women who are homosexual do produce living, fertile, healthy offspring with partners of the opposite sex, whether by reproductive drive to have offspring (contrary to their own taste) while engaging in their activities with others of the same gender.
(bill) Just what I said. Homo sex equal death of society. Hetro sex equal the explosion of society.
Only because a stallion likes to hump another stallion and even prefers to do so (this has been observed both in the wild and in captivity) doesn't mean he won't hump a mare when she's breedable.
(bill) He will also try to hump a telephone pole and it has been observed in "nature". It does not make horse/telephone pole sex natural.
Mares often hump each other, as well, and will shun a male from their presence if they aren't breedable.
(bill) Does not make it natural.
Face it, Bill. No matter how much you try, your opinion won't change reality.
(bill) Who's reality? Yours?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:16:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
To head off a counter-agrument:
"Animals kill each other all the time. But we outlaw murder. (sigh)"
"Murder" does not exist outside of humans. In human society, it is not conducive to the survival of the species. Death is natural, and so far we haven't found anything yet to stop that.
"Homos humping each other is not conducive to the survival of the species either (sigh)."
It does not hurt the survival either.
To head off a counter-agrument:
"Animals kill each other all the time. But we outlaw murder. (sigh)"
(bill) I thought humans were animals as well?
Death is natural, and so far we haven't found anything yet to stop that.
(bill) never will
"Homos humping each other is not conducive to the survival of the species either (sigh)."
(bill) Of coarse not, but it is conducive to the death of anti hetor society. A society full of homos is a walking dead society.
It does not hurt the survival either.
(bill) Um, ever heard of aids?
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:24:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
OK, this is starting to get a little out of hand so please allow me a minute to give my offical postion on everything.
The thread started with Bill O and went to ACLU. One of my problems with the ACLU is that they choose to fight for the rights of men who operate a site that is in favor of man/boy sex. ACLU throws children under the bus in name of free speach for those that desire a day when man/boy sex will be legal.
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Well it is law that the defendant be given representation and this is where the PD comes in. It is not law that the ACLU, a private firm, pick up a defense case where they will provide sanctuary for those whose seek man/boy sex.
There you go again Bill, with that overly zealous interest, that near obsession you seem to have with man/boy sex. You know, thinking about sex all the time like you do is a sin according to some people. Thinking about man/boy sex all the time, like you do, would be considered by a lot of people to be unnatural. There are probably hundreds of thousands of homosexual people in the world who don't think about man/boy sex as much as you do. Pure of mind you ain't.
And instead of spending all that time imagining man/boy sex and judging people, you could be reading some material to help you rise above that kind of thing. As a starting point I might suggest Psalms 50:20, Luke 6:37-42, Romans 2:1-6, Leviticus 19:16, and certainly James 4:11-12. Oh, and definitely Matthew 7:1-5. Now go do your homework.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:35:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
They were supporting a web site that promoted the act of man/boy sex and wanted to remain anonymous. If I was funding such deviant behavior I would want to remain unknown as well. Why would anyone want man/boy sex to be legal if they were not a homo child perv?
How soon you forget. From page 2 of this thread...quote:
Originally posted by me...
I advocate the modification or repeal of several laws involving choices of personal activities, most of those activities being ones in which I do not ever participate. Because skeptics tend to stay pretty well informed on personal responsibility, personal rights issues, it's likely many of the participants here advocate modifying or repealing certain such laws. But in no way does that indicate these people have ever, or might ever violate those laws. Your position is logically indefensible. In a nut shell, your opinion, although you are certainly entitled to have it and to voice it, has the validity of a fart in the wind.
So your question was already answered.quote:
If you can not connect the dots here gee then I am sorry but I can no longer help you.
Oh, and how arrogant, not to mention judgmental of you to believe you ever should, or even could help me.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:36:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
[quote]Originally posted by Bill scott
[quote]Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
[quote]Originally posted by Bill scott
[quote]Originally posted by beskeptigal
So gay partnerships don't produce offspring without additional
Bill, your premise is that homosexuals are unnatural because they are incapable of breeding. Since that can also be applied to your "broken tools" analogy, you now need to shift to abnormal use of body parts. Many heterosexual couples also engage in anal sex, the porn industry has a subsection devoted to this kind of fettish. .
(bill) Does not make it natural simple because someone does it. The penis was not designed to go in the anal of a male or a female no matter how bad you want it to be true. Homo societies will die without the intrevention of some hetro sex. Male and female societes thrive while a male and male or women and women society would wilt and die. If by happening in nature is all that is required to make it an natural act then anything man does is natural was well. We are nothing but animals? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:41:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
[quote][i]Originally posted by Oh, and how arrogant, not to mention judgmental of you to believe you ever should, or even could help me.
Your a homo are you not? That would be my guess if I had to. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:50:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
[quote]Originally posted by Bill scott
[quote]Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
[quote]Originally posted by Bill scott
[quote]Originally posted by beskeptigal
So gay partnerships don't produce offspring without additional
Bill, your premise is that homosexuals are unnatural because they are incapable of breeding. Since that can also be applied to your "broken tools" analogy, you now need to shift to abnormal use of body parts. Many heterosexual couples also engage in anal sex, the porn industry has a subsection devoted to this kind of fettish. .
(bill) Does not make it natural simple because someone does it. The penis was not designed to go in the anal of a male or a female no matter how bad you want it to be true. Homo societies will die without the intrevention of some hetro sex. Male and female societes thrive while a male and male or women and women society would wilt and die. If by happening in nature is all that is required to make it an natural act then anything man does is natural was well. We are nothing but animals?
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 08:58:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by GeeMack
[quote][i]Originally posted by Oh, and how arrogant, not to mention judgmental of you to believe you ever should, or even could help me.
Your a homo are you not? That would be my guess if I had to.
Holy shit. You just ignored what you posted that he was replying to in order to make a completely unfounded accusation.
Here's what you said
"If you can not connect the dots here gee then I am sorry but I can no longer help you."
To which Gee responded
"Oh, and how arrogant, not to mention judgmental of you to believe you ever should, or even could help me."
To anyone with the basic comprehension skills of a 4 year old, the statement Gee makes is related to you helping him connect the dots. (logical process) To which you draw a conclusion of that Gee must be gay.
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pleco
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 09:20:18 [Permalink]
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It does not hurt the survival either.
(bill) Um, ever heard of aids?
Yes, and? I eagerly await whatever tripe is about to spew forth. Provide web links (at least) to back up what you about to say.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 02/03/2006 : 09:30:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Your a homo are you not? That would be my guess if I had to.
Sounds like you might be making some sort of proposition there, eh Bill? Just can't get your mind off that man/boy sex stuff, can you? 
Oh, and just to put your tiny little mind at ease, in case you maybe had something kinky in mind, no I'm not homosexual, but thanks for offering. I also don't judge groups of people about whom I know nothing, based simply on the organizations with which they choose to associate, like you do. I also don't have an unnatural obsession with man/boy sex, like you seem to have. You've peeled back the cover and poured out a couple of your own problems here Bill, and your meager attempt to zing base insults won't put them back in the can.
I expect I'm not the only one here who finds it interesting that you have some mouthy, thoughtless, troll-like comment for nearly every single posting in this thread, with one exception being where I pointed out some relevant material in one of those popular self-help books. But maybe you haven't read it. I know where you can get a free copy if you don't already have one, Bill.
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