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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Bill fantasized: quote:
Bill: Well if a eternal God is not the first cause then let me here some of your ideas on the atheistic universe and it's origin of PM?
atheist: We don't have any...
Bill: Then how are you so sure it was not the result of eternal creator?
atheist: We just are.
That was pathetic, Bill, but it does serve to illustrate and summarize your mindset.
You make extraordinary claims with no supporting evidence, then you ignore every question that you might have difficulty with, while refusing to read suggested citations.
So, the only argument you can win is one you make up out of whole cloth. Talk about Straw Men! Intellectual dishonesty, Bill, and just pathetic. Does your mind have no connection to reality?
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 13:47:20 [Permalink]
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There is no possible evidence that the Universe is not a simulation on a teenagers computer.
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 13:48:23 [Permalink]
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FOSSIL PORN!
Now that I have your attention, you're still full of shit, Bill.
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 13:55:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
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(bill) What's wrong dude? Having trouble even dreaming up a hypothesis and some logic for the origins of an atheistic universe? I have noticed that you seem to be rather quite on this as well. Well you did offer "prove the universe is not eternal Bill" so that is better then most have offered. But once it is looked at in light of cause and effect theory and big bang cosmology you end up right back with the others dude, you have nothing to offer. How sad considering all the centuries that have went into atheistic thought to think that in 2006 all they still have is nothing.
Again, your utter ignorance shines through.
Surely you cannot be unaware that EVERY single "logical" argument presented to support the existance of your deity has been logically flawed? Especially your idiotic amature rehash of the cosmological argument.
Get back to us when you have something new and original.
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Bill: Any progress yet from the past 50 years of studies on the origins of big bang?
95% of atheist: We still don't know.
5% of atheist: Bill how can you know for sure the universe has just not always been here and that it did not have a point in time where it began to exist? I realize that this flies in the face of cause and effect theory and that nobody, from planet earth, holds that position anymore, but besides that bill?
And how long have your crowd had to come up with something? 3000+ years?
And the best you can do is a flawed argument from 500 years ago?
Get over yourself Bill.
Again, your utter ignorance shines through.
Surely you cannot be unaware that EVERY single "logical" argument presented to support the existance of your deity has been logically flawed?
(bill) This one is getting to you huh dude? I see that you yet again go off ranting and refuse to offer even your hypothesis to the existence of a materialistic universe and it's origin. Why? Because you can not even dream up a atheistic first cause let alone find one in reality apart from an eternal creator? I predict you will continue to rant and will still refuse to give even a hypothesis in support of your ramblings.
Especially your idiotic amature rehash of the cosmological argument.
(bill) So what is the latest fad running the circles of the atheistic community on cause of big bang?
Get back to us when you have something new and original.
(bill) And you can get back when you have anything, anything at all, even a hypothesis, to hang your atheistic hat on.
And how long have your crowd had to come up with something? 3000+ years?
(bill) I have explained my hypothesis on the origin of PM umpteen times already, you have explained yours ZERO.
And the best you can do is a flawed argument from 500 years ago?
(bill) while you do not even have an argument. Well that or you just refuse to share it.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 14:32:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
BPS:I think the Universe is a delicious toasted bagel, we are but a mote of yeast, yet Ive no evidence.
(bill) Have you meet dude? You guys would get along great.
BPS's hypothesis is just as valid as your deity hypothesis, Bill, and far tastier.
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(bill) This one is getting to you huh dude? I see that you yet again go off ranting and refuse to offer even your hypothesis to the existence of a materialistic universe and it's origin. Why? Because you can not even dream up a atheistic first cause let alone find one in reality apart from an eternal creator? I predict you will continue to rant and will still refuse to give even a hypothesis in support of your ramblings.
Getting to me? Only in the same sense that invasive parasitic fungi like yourself "get" to me. Pointing out your stupidity for the world to see (though, in your case, you don't really need any help) is just an itch to be scratched from time to time.
You insist on hearing some "atheistic hypothesis", despite being told dozens of time sthat no such thing exists, it is nothing but a straw-man that you throw out and crow about. You have moved beyond the point where anyone is willing to engage you in reasonable conversation, you spout a refuted, flawed, indefensible 500+ year old argument for god and just expect us to all bow down to your incredible critical thinking skills (I assure you that your thinking skills are, in fact, quite incredible), as if just vomiting up debunked garbage is all it takes for you to win an argument (this may be true in your church, but not here).
You are a broken record Bill. You just spew the same crap over and over, all the while ignoring every person who has a point you can't argue against.
So really, when you have somehting worth saying, get back to us.
filthy posted:
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FOSSIL PORN!
Hahahaha! Nice.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 14:37:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
See, the universe is so complex to Bill that something must have made it.
So it is "logical": Everything is complex, and complexity requires intelligence, therefore soemthing called god did it. It is not possible that it could have occured any other way becuase of what was just said. Why? Because....rinse and repeat.
Is that a decent summary Bill of your "theory" of everything?
Hmmmm, I think I'll stick with "We don't know yet". I won't feel like I'm lying if I say that.
You know why I won't discuss this further with you Bill? Because you want to employ the standard creationist trap. I will state some theory which is very incomplete and still being worked on. You will take all the holes in the theory and exploit them, since the only way you can "prove" your ideas is to show the weaknesses in others.
BTW, you noticed that no one said you were necessarily wrong, Bill? You could be right! Isn't that a great thing about intellectual honesty?
You know why I won't discuss this further with you Bill? Because you want to employ the standard creationist trap. I will state some theory which is very incomplete and still being worked on. You will take all the holes in the theory and exploit them, since the only way you can "prove" your ideas is to show the weaknesses in others.
(bill) Oh come on P, grow a spine. I offered my views on origins and your crew blew me up post after post for the beliefs which I was willing to share. I am still here P, I can take a little criticism from the forum and live to talk about it. All you have is me to critique your ideas, not the whole forum. We all fully understand this would be a hypothesis and you are not stating anything as empirical fact. Come on P, share your ideas on the atheistic origin of PM. Please share P, I will be nice I promise.
BTW, you noticed that no one said you were necessarily wrong, Bill? You could be right! Isn't that a great thing about intellectual honesty?
(bill) Yeah, but I was serious to P. I don't consider this a game with a winner and loser. This a forum to discuss ideas. What better way to test what you believe then to put it to the fire? And in this case the fire is those who do not agree with my worldview. To be honest I have come to like most of you from what I have learned in just these posts. It is easy to be brash and insulting on the net (for both sides) so most of those I do not take personal. And if you were ever to meet me in a bar or some social situation not knowing who I was I bet you would come away thinking I was not such a bad guy and I would probably think the same of you.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 14:40:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
Ok, now where we before being silenced I mean locked out:
Hey Bill, have you been silenced or were you free to open another thread on our website? You know, if silencing you was any of the SFN staffs' intention, we could have done just that. Valiant Dancer stated clearly the reason this thread was closed.
Perhaps you have delusions of being persecuted. I don't know. But if you really want to get on any administrator or moderator's bad side, go ahead and accuse us of being unfair.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 14:49:01 [Permalink]
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Oh come on P, grow a spine. I offered my views on origins and your crew blew me up post after post for the beliefs which I was willing to share. I am still here P, I can take a little criticism from the forum and live to talk about it. All you have is me to critique your ideas, not the whole forum. We all fully understand this would be a hypothesis and you are not stating anything as empirical fact. Come on P, share your ideas on the atheistic origin of PM. Please share P, I will be nice I promise.
There is no atheistic origin of physical matter (would it kill you to type out words?). I don't have any ideas on that since it doesn't exist. There you go. Have a nice day. :-)
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 15:30:49 [Permalink]
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There's no such thing as a free hunch, Bill.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 16:14:42 [Permalink]
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For a previous thread:
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Originally posted by trodgor
I have heard the argument comparing god to invisible pink things before, but it has always rubbed me the wrong way. How can something be invisible and pink? HOW?!?
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Originally posted by Bill Scott
(bill) Invisible just means you can't see it, it does not mean that the object does not exist. A black stealth bomber is invisible to radar. That does not mean the bomber does not exist, or that it is not black.
Actually Bill, something can't really be invisible AND pink. If something is pink it means that it reflects (or emits) light in the visible range, but if it reflects light there then it can't be invisible (unless it absorbs this electromagnetic radiation subsequently somehow...).
By the way Bill, people have been suggesting non-supernatural (which I assume you mean when you say atheistic) explanations for the origin of life and PM. LIEs have been mentioned several times. Another (new one just for you) is the "atheistic deviation around the mean model": Just as there is matter in the universe , there is also antimatter. Just as there is energy in the universe, there is also antienergy. These four components make up everything in the universe. Also remember that energy is matter (ie E=mc2). The "atheistic deviation around the mean model" states that: matter+energy=antimatter+antienergy! What this means is that on average, there is actually really nothing in the universe at all. On average, everything cancels out. On average, everthing equals zero. As it always has and always will. But for purely statistical and rather predictable reasons, things always vary around the mean. Ie matter and energy (and antimatter and antienergy) come from nothing (creation ex nihilo).
Both LIEs and "atheistic deviation around the mean model" are logical (in fact more so than "god theory"). |
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2006 : 16:37:30 [Permalink]
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So, let's get back to basics....are there, or are there not man-made satellites in orbit?
Oops!... wrong thread.
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 16:40:50 [Permalink]
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Bill:
Why there is no "athiestic theory for the origin of physical matter":
Lack Of Evidence.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 16:42:14 [Permalink]
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| @ Randy : you just gave me flashbacks <shudder> LOL |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 17:02:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
FOSSIL PORN!
LMAO.
I love you, F. I really do. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 17:15:16 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by filthy
FOSSIL PORN!
LMAO.
I love you, F. I really do.
Aw, t'ain't nothin'..... <shuffles feet> 
What it is, we've gone through Hypnotoad (all glory!) knows how many postings in multiple threads and Bill has yet to come up with anything worth consideration. And ever since bigbrain, I find myself with a low boredom threshold. Just trying to add a little interest and liven it all up a bit.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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