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As anyone who has ever balanced a pencil/broomstick/rule on their finger knows, if you can get it stable and completely vertical, there is no tendency to rotate. In reality, you can never balance it perfectly by staying completely still, so it does tend to "fall" over eventually, but if you keep it near vertical, this acceleration is small, and easily countered with small corrections.

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You would have enjoyed debating BigBrain...

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"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

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Originally posted by ktesibios

Better go back to ranting about your fear of women at Vox Day's place, patriarch verlch. You're hopelessly out of your depth here.

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Originally posted by verlch

Nice post man. Your mythodical.

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Infowars.com
Prisonplanet.com
Rense.com

All ask very interesting questions.

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"We have planned and executed numerous scenarios over the years to include aircraft originating from foreign airports penetrating our sovereign airspace," Gen. Ralph Eberhart, NORAD commander, told USA TODAY. "Regrettably, the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised."

NORAD, a U.S.-Canadian command, was created in 1958 to guard against Soviet bombers.

Until Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD conducted four major exercises a year. Most included a hijack scenario, but not all of those involved planes as weapons. Since the attacks, NORAD has conducted more than 100 exercises, all with mock hijackings.

NORAD fighters based in Florida have intercepted two hijacked smaller aircraft since the Sept. 11 attacks. Both originated in Cuba and were escorted to Key West in spring 2003, NORAD said.

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http://rense.com/general71/catch.htm

Found that article. If 1% of what he says we are in trouble.

There is way too much inconsistency here, believe me. If you link everything together in the past, what do you think is going on fellas?

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Was Sivlerstein leaking the information to protect his life? Is he still alive?

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Originally posted by furshur

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Was Sivlerstein leaking the information to protect his life? Is he still alive?

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Yes, he is still alive... for now!
oooo this is scary stuff!

Verlich, your imagination and delusions sure do make life exciting...

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AS skeptitcs, you guys sure don't see to be very skeptical of this type of stuff.

Would we have been able to go to war with Iraq, without sept 11?

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Originally posted by Robb

This video is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syEFbdYKl9s

Are you in the video Verlch?

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"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992

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"This is an historic moment, I am hopeful the fighting will not go on for long. We have in the last year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations A NEW WORLD ORDER where the rule of law governs the conduct of the NATIONS".--In 1991, at the beginning of the Gulf war, US President George Bush broadcast to the world.

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Other buildings have burned for days, and not collapsed.

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Both buildings were designed to withstand a plane of that size flown into it. I swear those planes do not look like commercial jets.

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Originally posted by verlch

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Originally posted by Robb

This video is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syEFbdYKl9s

Are you in the video Verlch?

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No, I wish.

Oh yeah, some of the hijackers were found alive. You mean to tell me, why are the hijackers alive in the middle east?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

If a man commits murder, just see how fast people know who he is.

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Other buildings have burned for days, and not collapsed.

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Both buildings were designed to withstand a plane of that size flown into it. I swear those planes do not look like commercial jets.

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I think our government has been doing quite a few things nefariously, Bay of Pigs, regime changes all over the world. In fact how hard would it be to supply and befriend the Bin Laden's of the world, that were whisked out of the country after 9 11. They were already friends with the Bushs.

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Prescott Bush is documented as supplying the nazis in WWII. What better way to profit than to sell the weaponry to both sides of a battle.

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AGain, conspiracy theorists are much like evolutionists. Its only a theory.

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IF you dont' have a problem with living in George Bush Sr's vision for America, much like Babylon of old, worshipping an image, or death will shortly follow, than you will like the NWO/Babylon revisited.

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"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992

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"This is an historic moment, I am hopeful the fighting will not go on for long. We have in the last year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations A NEW WORLD ORDER where the rule of law governs the conduct of the NATIONS".--In 1991, at the beginning of the Gulf war, US President George Bush broadcast to the world.

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Originally posted by verlch
Oh yeah, some of the hijackers were found alive. You mean to tell me, why are the hijackers alive in the middle east?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

If a man commits murder, just see how fast people know who he is.

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What#8217;s more, all these stories occurred very soon after 9/11. Once the FBI released their official list of hijackers, complete with photographs (on the 27th September), these stories disappeared. This suggests to us they were only ever a mixup over names, and once the photos appeared as well these individuals realised they weren#8217;t wanted men after all.

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There are a few problems with this account.

The BBC refer to him as "Waleed Al Shehri", for instance, but the hijacker named by the FBI is Waleed M. Al Shehri. Only one initial, but it's still enough to mean they may not have the same name.

Also, unfortunately for the "still alive" stories, there are reports that the BBCs Waleed is indeed an entirely different person called Waleed A Al Shehri.

Embry-Riddle officials have learned that Waleed Al-Shehri talked to U.S. government officials in Morocco earlier this week. An individual with a similar name was identified by the FBI in its September 14 announcement as being aboard American Airlines flight 11, the first plane to strike the World Trade Center.

Embry-Riddle records show that a student with the name Waleed A. Al-Shehri graduated with a bachelor of science degree in aeronautical science...
http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/2001/embryriddle092101.html

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Further evidence that this is a case of mistaken identity comes from reports showing that there is Waleed M Al Shehri missing, who does have a brother called Wail, just as the US alleged.

The brothers' pictures matched those released by the FBI, the Arab News reported. Their father, Mohammed Ali Asgley Al Shehri, a businessman, told Al Watan that his son Wael, 25, had psychological problems and had gone to Medina in December with his brother Waleed, 21, to seek help from religious officials for this problem. He said that they did not return from the trip and that he had not heard from them since...

The paper cited sources close to the family as saying that both men had become very religious before disappearing and had spoken of joining Muslim fighters in Chechnya. The sources said the brothers spoke limited English.

Previous reports that Waleed Alshehri was the son of a Saudi diplomat have been denied.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19549-2001Sep24¬Found=true

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Take the BBC, for example, which did in fact report, on September 23, 2001, that some of the alleged terrorists were alive and healthy and had protested their being named as assassins.

But there is one wrinkle. The BBC journalist responsible for the story only recalls this supposed sensation after having been told the date on which the story aired. "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time," he says, and tells us that the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper.

The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."

Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.

The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain."

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"The problem," says Samman, "was that after the first FBI list had been published, CNN released a photo of the pilot Said al-Ghamdi that had been obtained from the files of those Saudi pilots who had at some point received official flight training in the United States."

After Samman's story was reported by the news agencies, he was contacted by CNN. "I gave them Ghamdi's telephone number. The CNN people talked to the pilot and apologized profusely. The whole thing was quite obviously a mix-up. The Ghamdi family is one of the largest families in Saudi Arabia, and there are thousands of men named Said al-Ghamdi."

When we ask Samman to take another look at the FBI's list of photographs, he is more than happy to oblige, and tells us: "The Ghamdi on the photo is not the pilot with whom I spoke."
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-2,00.html

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