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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/02/2006 : 01:31:47
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Bible (and Koran) quoting science students on the rise on British campuses - eek! http://smh.com.au/news/world/biblequoting-science-students-on-rise/2006/02/21/1140284067565.html
Hard for me to imagine medical students actually quoting the Bible or Koran as science in a paper. The most frightening and bizarre line of the article is this quote at the end: quote:
Most of the next generation of medical and science students could be creationists, according to a biology teacher at a leading London college. "The vast majority of my students now believe in creationism," she said, "and these are thinking young people who are able and articulate and not at the dim end at all."
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 01:49:38 [Permalink]
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Thank you for the link, marfknox. This is the first I've heard about Islamic creationism, though I've wondered about it. This is the kind of thinking that could keep the Islamic word in darkness and poverty. As it could do to our world, as well.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 02:28:50 [Permalink]
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Not at the dim end? I doubt that.
I don't buy it. Med students take too much biology. Medicine is too involved in genetics right now and it isn't going to toss those successes out the window. This article is not credible. I believe there are a few, and maybe even some very visible ones, but not "most". |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 13:00:25 [Permalink]
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B. opined: quote:
I don't buy it. Med students take too much biology. Medicine is too involved in genetics right now and it isn't going to toss those successes out the window. This article is not credible. I believe there are a few, and maybe even some very visible ones, but not "most".
I hope you're right, and suspect you are.
Certainly, I would hate to see professors being intimidated into giving passing grades to anyone quoting scripture instead of using science. That might even be happening as a distraction, by students who haven't read the material.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 13:25:41 [Permalink]
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beskeptical wrote: quote:
I don't buy it. Med students take too much biology. Medicine is too involved in genetics right now and it isn't going to toss those successes out the window. This article is not credible. I believe there are a few, and maybe even some very visible ones, but not "most".
Well I don't know if I buy tha the "vast majority" of students believe in creationism(unless creationism is being defined in a looser and broader sense), but since that was a quote from someone who was interviewed for the article, it being wrong doesn't discredit the article. It makes that person who was interviewed not credible. |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 13:38:37 [Permalink]
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Well, 1 Kings 7:23 says
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He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits [o] from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits [p] to measure around it.
So, according to Scripture the value of pi is 3.
I'd love to see some goober trying to use that value- and waving the Bible to justify it- in a math class (FSM forbid said goober should ever be involved in designing a bridge or a building). |
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 14:35:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by ktesibios
Well, 1 Kings 7:23 says
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He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits [o] from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits [p] to measure around it.
So, according to Scripture the value of pi is 3.
It depends which way you go through the calculation - if you start with the circumference and divide by pi you get 9.55 cubits which rounds to 10 cubits. There are clearer examples of nonsense in the Bible ie: bats are birds.
I believe the Texas State legislature passed a bill declaring pi to equal to 3 in order to make math simpler for students. I am pretty sure this bill was done tongue in cheek as a example of the nonsens that could be passed in the end of session rush. |
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Dave W.
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 14:56:09 [Permalink]
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| Whew! Thank the deuce that is just an urban legend or I would be embarrassed to live in Alabama. Oh wait... |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 15:02:29 [Permalink]
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I sit corrected Dave.
Your link raises as many quetions at it answers though.
I wonder what in the name of the Flying Spagetti Monster went on in Indiana in 1897.  |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/02/2006 : 15:44:48 [Permalink]
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ktesibios posted: quote:
He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits [o] from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits [p] to measure around it.
I love that one!
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ktesibios
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 10:20:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
It depends which way you go through the calculation - if you start with the circumference and divide by pi you get 9.55 cubits which rounds to 10 cubits. There are clearer examples of nonsense in the Bible ie: bats are birds.
So the ancient Israelites were just lousy at measurement?
Perhaps the wisdom of Solomon included hiring consultants who had a clue to do his engineering work. |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 12:47:51 [Permalink]
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| There was something to do on this in the Netherlands. Muslim students who took biology classes at the university and turned in papers with the debunked arguments of Harun Yahya and his ilk. The professors and teachers did the only thing appropriate there. They gave them the choice to hand in something decent or quit the study. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2006 : 17:36:51 [Permalink]
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| I picture some future genetics researcher saying something like, "your AIDS cure can't be real since we know there is no precurser to the flagella." |
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