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Bill scott
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 Posted - 03/30/2006 : 07:04:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
"Checks and Balances" are needed.
Remember - Adolph Hitler was elected.
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Remember - Adolph Hitler was elected.
To bad many of these judges are not elected...
The Judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our Constitution from a coordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet, and they are too well versed in English law to forget the maxim, “boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem”. [* * *] Having found from experience, that impeachment is an impracticable thing, a mere scare-crow, they consider themselves secure for life; they skulk from responsibility to public opinion, the only remaining hold on them, under a practice first introduced into England by Lord Mansfield. An opinion is huddled up in conclave, perhaps by a majority of one, delivered as if unanimous, and with the silent acquiescence of lazy or timid associates, by a crafty chief judge, who sophisticates the law to his mind, by the turn of his own reasoning. A judiciary law was once reported by the Attorney General to Congress, requiring each judge to deliver his opinion seriatim and openly, and then to give it in writing to the clerk to be entered in the record. A judiciary independent of a king or executive alone, is a good thing; but independence of the will of the nation is a solecism, at least in a republican government. --
Thomas Jefferson 1820
Edited link.
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filthy
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 13:21:46 [Permalink]
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The swine Scalia: quote:
Photographer: Scalia lied in saying he didn't make an obscene gesture at church; Scalia also told reporter to "go get fucked up the ass" in Italian
by John in DC - 3/30/2006 10:57:00 AM
The photographer has come forward, angered that Scalia lied. The photo is published in today's Boston Herald.
Per the Herald:
Amid a growing national controversy about the gesture U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made Sunday at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, the freelance photographer who captured the moment has come forward with the picture.
“It's inaccurate and deceptive of him to say there was no vulgarity in the moment,” said Peter Smith, the Boston University assistant photojournalism professor who made the shot.
Despite Scalia's insistence that the Sicilian gesture was not offensive and had been incorrectly characterized by the Herald as obscene, the photographer said the newspaper “got the story right.”
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 13:28:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Bill wrote: quote:
(bill) This is not about anyone's right to appeal anything. This is about an alcoholic prone Judge who decides to take the law into his own hands and gives probation to an admitted child rapist based on nothing more then his arbitrary opinion! Can you image the victim's parent's state of shock when this “judgment” was rendered down? What a complete slap in the face to the parents and the judicial system. These kids were sodomized for three years and the admitted molester walks? This judge should be striped of his ability to practice law in the civilized universe IMO. And then maybe, just maybe, I would stick in him in a cage with the victim's father, or fathers, and turn my back for 5-10 maybe 15 minutes. It would be tempting…
I could just as easily present a list of horrible injustices caused by laws made by elected officials and supported by the majority of voting public. Just picking out one example of one fucked up judge does not provide a reason to strip the entire judicial branch of its proper role in the justice system.
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Just picking out one example of one fucked up judge does not provide a reason to strip the entire judicial branch of its proper role in the justice system.
Looks as if I am not the only one who has a problem with the over zelot judges. Hamilton, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Grant are few of the others who have come to the same conclusion.
"The judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the constitution." "It may truly be said to have neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment;".
Alexander Hamilton
"take action to save the Constitution from the Court and the Court from itself. We must find a way to appeal from the Supreme Court to the Constitution itself".
F.D.R.
" I must violate one provision of the Constitution so that all the rest may be saved".
A. Lincoln
In the Federalist Papers Alexander Hamilton tells us that "The judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the constitution." "It may truly be said to have neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment;". In other words it cannot make laws like the legislative branch, nor can it enforce its decisions without the aid of the executive, it has only the power of judgment.
Faced with a conservative activist court that was blocking his New Deal, Roosevelt said it was necessary to "take action to save the Constitution from the Court and the Court from itself. We must find a way to appeal from the Supreme Court to the Constitution itself".
Many attempts have been made to force the Court to honor the Constitution. Jefferson tried impeachment. Andrew Jackson ignored the court. Lincoln ignored court orders saying " I must violate one provision of the Constitution so that all the rest may be saved". Grant enlarged the Court. Senator LaFollette proposed overruling the Court with a two-thirds vote of the Senate. Roosevelt tried to "pack" the Court. None have succeeded.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 13:40:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
The swine Scalia: quote:
Photographer: Scalia lied in saying he didn't make an obscene gesture at church; Scalia also told reporter to "go get fucked up the ass" in Italian
by John in DC - 3/30/2006 10:57:00 AM
The photographer has come forward, angered that Scalia lied. The photo is published in today's Boston Herald.
Per the Herald:
Amid a growing national controversy about the gesture U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made Sunday at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, the freelance photographer who captured the moment has come forward with the picture.
“It's inaccurate and deceptive of him to say there was no vulgarity in the moment,” said Peter Smith, the Boston University assistant photojournalism professor who made the shot.
Despite Scalia's insistence that the Sicilian gesture was not offensive and had been incorrectly characterized by the Herald as obscene, the photographer said the newspaper “got the story right.”
I am not all that impressed with the guy personaly either:
joking that he personally believes "sexual orgies eliminate tension and ought to be encouraged,"
The whole reason I posted the peice was not because I think the judge is a great guy. I posted it because he agreed with Lincoln, Jackson, Hamilton, FDR, Grant, and myself, that legislative judges are bad news.
As a current member of the top court that gives his statment some merit wouldn't you say?
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 09:27:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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(bill) That was a strange case. She was very good looking and was married to a good looking man. Why she felt she had to go after a 14 year old boy, just entering puberty, I will never understand? She said she was attracted to him because she said she knew it was wrong and that made all the more exciting. Most of the female teachers who have sex with their male students, of late, have not been anywhere close to looking like Ms. LaFave(her husband did divorce her). Most of them, after seeing a pic, you at least can see they had no chance with even a modest looking man their own age. So there you can, at least, see what drove them to prey on children, but Debra was a whole seperate case.
I can make a pretty good guess as to why. She was horney and if the kid was anything like myself at that age, or most any 14 year old male for that matter, he had a 24/7 hardon.
I will state that she showed such piss-poor judgment that it brings the state of her mental health into doubt. Taken all in though, I think her sentence was pretty fair. She'll certainly never teach again and rightly.
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Taken all in though, I think her sentence was pretty fair. She'll certainly never teach again and rightly.
So if a 25 year old male teacher had sex with your 14 year old girl in the back of his car, in the school etc... Even if your daughter says he is cute, you still think that propation was OK?
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 10:30:17 [Permalink]
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I repeat: quote:
I can make a pretty good guess as to why. She was horney and if the kid was anything like myself at that age, or most any 14 year old male for that matter, he had a 24/7 hardon.
I will state that she showed such piss-poor judgment that it brings the state of her mental health into doubt. Taken all in though, I think her sentence was pretty fair. She'll certainly never teach again and rightly.
Where did I state that I approve of this sort of thing? I scrape your straw man off my shoe, chump.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 11:31:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I repeat: quote:
I can make a pretty good guess as to why. She was horney and if the kid was anything like myself at that age, or most any 14 year old male for that matter, he had a 24/7 hardon.
I will state that she showed such piss-poor judgment that it brings the state of her mental health into doubt. Taken all in though, I think her sentence was pretty fair. She'll certainly never teach again and rightly.
Where did I state that I approve of this sort of thing? I scrape your straw man off my shoe, chump.
Should there be a seperate penality code for women sleeping with children over men sleeping with chilren?
This women slept with a child and got probation. If a man sleeps with a child (your little girl of 14) should he also get probation? Even if your daughter thinks he is cute and now wants to marry the man.. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 12:42:44 [Permalink]
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Not to change the line of meaningful discussion here but...
Regarding the Scalia gesture incident, as usual here is another Christian who thinks nothing of violating the Commandment against bearing false witness. That is unless they rationalize false witness only counts if it is a particular kind of lie. Scalia claims the gesture wasn't really that of an obscenity but rather just a quaint little harmless Italian gesture. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:22:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Not to change the line of meaningful discussion here but...
Regarding the Scalia gesture incident, as usual here is another Christian who thinks nothing of violating the Commandment against bearing false witness. That is unless they rationalize false witness only counts if it is a particular kind of lie. Scalia claims the gesture wasn't really that of an obscenity but rather just a quaint little harmless Italian gesture.
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Not to change the line of meaningful discussion here but
(bill) Leason for the day. When someone says they are not going to change the topic but...
This is always code for they are about to change the topic...
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 14:56:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Not to change the line of meaningful discussion here but
(bill) Leason for the day. When someone says they are not going to change the topic but...
This is always code for they are about to change the topic...
This topic started with Scalia, so it's more back-on-topic than off-topic, Dunce.  |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 20:25:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Not to change the line of meaningful discussion here but
(bill) Leason for the day. When someone says they are not going to change the topic but...
This is always code for they are about to change the topic...
This topic started with Scalia, so it's more back-on-topic than off-topic, Dunce.
Hey relax doc, no need to get youself in tizzy here. The topic is legeslative judges, not Scalia, or the intent of his hand motions while in mass. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/01/2006 : 03:17:26 [Permalink]
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Bill, it's kind of like myself stating that Jerry Falwell and that loathsome cur, Fred Phelps are examples of Christian tolerance. You cannot judge an entire judicial system by a handful of fucked-up cases.
Well, maybe you can, but not someone who actually thinks for himself.
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This women slept with a child and got probation. If a man sleeps with a child (your little girl of 14) should he also get probation? Even if your daughter thinks he is cute and now wants to marry the man..
Scalia is still a swine and your 'example' yet another fallacy  .
Off topic, but: which belief system, Bill? Which fairy tale gets you through the day? Inquiring minds don't really care all that much, but wonder about it, anyway. Why all the secrecy?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 02:04:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Bill, it's kind of like myself stating that Jerry Falwell and that loathsome cur, Fred Phelps are examples of Christian tolerance. You cannot judge an entire judicial system by a handful of fucked-up cases.
Well, maybe you can, but not someone who actually thinks for himself.
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This women slept with a child and got probation. If a man sleeps with a child (your little girl of 14) should he also get probation? Even if your daughter thinks he is cute and now wants to marry the man..
Scalia is still a swine and your 'example' yet another fallacy .
Off topic, but: which belief system, Bill? Which fairy tale gets you through the day? Inquiring minds don't really care all that much, but wonder about it, anyway. Why all the secrecy?
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and your 'example' yet another fallacy
How so? You said the lady, 25, got a fair punishment, which was probation, for having sex with a 14 year old, in the back of a car, in the school, etc...
If a 25 year old male teacher seduced a 14 year old female student, let's say your daughter, and had sex with her in the school, in the back of a car, etc... And the court gave him probation, your telling me you have no problom with this? No fallacy here, bro... |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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filthy
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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 07:06:07 [Permalink]
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If a 25 year old male teacher seduced a 14 year old female student, let's say your daughter, and had sex with her in the school, in the back of a car, etc... And the court gave him probation, your telling me you have no problom with this? No fallacy here, bro...
This has happened, but until you can cite a case where the guy got off with probation, it's still a straw man fallicy.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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pleco
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Posted - 04/02/2006 : 08:32:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
This has happened, but until you can cite a case where the guy got off with probation, it's still a straw man fallicy.
Still hasn't answered the question, though ... next he will accuse you of trying to change the topic (though he is a master of this). Maybe someone should start a thread entitled "Bill, What god-version do you beleive (and try not to lie)?" |
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