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filthy
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Posted - 03/30/2006 :  03:17:52  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Don't these demagogues ever give it a rest?

I suppose not; if they did, they wouldn't be demagogues.
quote:
'War' on Christians Is Alleged
Conference Depicts a Culture Hostile to Evangelical Beliefs

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 29, 2006; A12



The "War on Christmas" has morphed into a "War on Christians."

Last December, some evangelical Christian groups declared that the religious celebration of Christmas -- and even the phrase "Merry Christmas" -- was under attack by the forces of secularism.

This week, radio commentator Rick Scarborough convened a two-day conference in Washington on the "War on Christians and the Values Voters in 2006." The opening session was devoted to "reports from the frontlines" on "persecution" of Christians in the United States and Canada, including an artist whose paintings were barred from a municipal art show in Deltona, Fla., because they contained religious themes.

"It doesn't rise to the level of persecution that we would see in China or North Korea," said Tristan Emmanuel, a Canadian activist. "But let's not pretend that it's okay."

Among the conference's speakers were former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and Sens. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) and Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) as well as conservative Christian leaders Phyllis Schlafly, Rod Parsley, Gary Bauer, Janet Parshall and Alan Keyes.

To many of the 400 evangelicals packed into a small ballroom at the Omni Shoreham Hotel, it was a hard but necessary look at moral relativism, hedonism and Christophobia, or fear of Christ, to pick just a few terms offered by various speakers referring to the enemy.

To some outsiders, it illuminated the paranoia of the Christian right.
Looking at the speaker list, one wonders how so much bile can be contained in one room. You'd think it'd be concentrated enough to eat through the floor.

I've never heard of "Christophobia" until now. Why are we to be afraid of some dead guy?




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beskeptigal
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Posted - 03/31/2006 :  02:11:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
They just can't see that not everyone appreciates seeing the 10 commandments in the courtrooms or that Jewish children might feel bad when the school Christmas Pageant is never countered with a Purim festival or Rosh Hashanah New Year.
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trogdor
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Posted - 04/05/2006 :  14:37:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send trogdor a Private Message
okay I'm in.

when do we start bombing the Vatican?

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Ricky
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Posted - 04/05/2006 :  15:13:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
They're like little children. If they don't get every single last thing their way, they cry and scream and shriek till they do.

The only difference is that everytime they open their mouths to cry, money from the church collection plate comes spewing out.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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moakley
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Posted - 04/05/2006 :  15:13:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
Wow. Such a word does exist. Christianophobia
quote:
Christianophobia, sometimes (if ungrammatically) called christophobia, is a term used by some to describe an irrational fear or hatred of Christians, or Christianity in general.

Could this also include disgust toward the harm they are doing?

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filthy
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Posted - 04/06/2006 :  06:47:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
And as might be expected:
quote:
By Robert Scheer

Blame it on the vast anti-Christian conspiracy. That was the explanation offered by U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas and his supporters last week for the whirlpool of legal difficulties that finally led the ex-leader of the Republicans in Congress to admit it was time to call it quits.

The convener of a “War on Christians” conference held in the nation's capital outrageously depicted the former House majority leader's political plight as the unwarranted crucifixion of a Christ-like leader by God-haters. And, with his trademark gall, the infamously ethically challenged DeLay eagerly embraced this explanation when it was his turn to speak to the adoring crowd.

“We have been chosen to live as Christians at a time when our culture is being poisoned and our world is being threatened,” thundered the Texan pest-control entrepreneur who rose to become one of America's most powerful politicians. “The enemies of virtue may be on the march, but they have not won.”

After a bit of background, it continues:
quote:
Dizzy yet? It gets worse, much worse. Despite its alleged focus on protecting American families, the Family Network's lobbying instead found success in securing DeLay's political support of Russian oil profiteers, sweatshop operators in the U.S. protectorate of the Northern Marianas, and American Indian gambling casinos afraid of competition. It's a peculiar record for an organization launched with the stated purpose of pushing policies to advance “families, the economic prosperity, social improvement, moral fitness, and general well being of the United States.” But perhaps DeLay and his underlings just have a different interpretation of what “it” is when it comes to “moral fitness.”

After all, DeLay did argue publicly that allowing textile manufacturers in the Marianas to sew in “Made In the USA” labels while not having to follow our labor and immigration laws was the moral thing to do. And when Abramoff, recipient of more than $7 million in lobbying fees from the Marianas government, managed to get him to visit, DeLay took the opportunity not only to call Abramoff “one of my closest and dearest friends,” he also cast the sweatshop owners' cause — protecting their right to cheap imported Chinese labor — in a Christian framework. “Stand firm,” Delay urged them at a dinner hosted by a major sweatshop company, as he promised to protect their profitable loophole from any corrective legislation. “Resist evil. Remember that all truth and blessings emanate from our Creator.”

What is still unclear, however, is how, if DeLay really fears the judgment of his creator, can he be so cavalier in assuming he will get an eternal pass on this despicable behavior?


Pathetic, ain't it?




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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pleco
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Posted - 04/06/2006 :  08:11:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
quote:
We have been chosen to live as Christians at a time when our culture is being poisoned and our world is being threatened


No free will?

by Filthy
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filthy
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Posted - 04/06/2006 :  09:05:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

quote:
We have been chosen to live as Christians at a time when our culture is being poisoned and our world is being threatened


No free will?

They don't get to have no free will 'cause Jesus loves them, or so they think. Me, I think Jesus would cut their sanctimonious throats with a rusty oyster knife if he knew what the bastards were trying to do in his name.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Maverick
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Posted - 04/07/2006 :  21:46:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Maverick a Private Message
They're screaming about being persecuted probably because they are afraid of a world where not everyone is deluded and fooled into believing their fantasies. I think they know that their myths aren't true, and so the best they can do is to force the beliefs down everybody's throat, because if everyone believes in them, they are almost kinda true. Or, perhaps, if everybody believe the myths, it doesn't matter if they are true or not (this is why they use arguments such as "religion gave us moral rules" and "if you don't believe in god, what keeps you from going around killing people?" and so on). That's also why creationists and IDists don't do any research or science, because they know it's not science, and they know what they believe is not true (at least most of the leaders of the creationist/ID movements do, is what I suspect) and so the only way they can go is through the courtroom and public elections.

"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan
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Dude
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Posted - 04/08/2006 :  00:33:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
filthy said:
quote:
They don't get to have no free will 'cause Jesus loves them, or so they think. Me, I think Jesus would cut their sanctimonious throats with a rusty oyster knife if he knew what the bastards were trying to do in his name.



Yeah, and he'd have an army of Sandinistas with him for backup.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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marfknox
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Posted - 04/08/2006 :  06:59:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
moakley wrote:
quote:
Wow. Such a word does exist. Christianophobia

quote:
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Christianophobia, sometimes (if ungrammatically) called christophobia, is a term used by some to describe an irrational fear or hatred of Christians, or Christianity in general.

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Could this also include disgust toward the harm they are doing?
I think disgust toward the harm they are doing would fall into the category of "reasonable criticism of Christianity".

I love how that wikipedia article puts right at the beginning:
quote:
Anti-Christian prejudice should not be confused with reasonable criticism of Christianity or its claims, at least in the sense of "criticism for which one can give a reason".
Including a link to a huge article full of reasonable criticisms of Christianity. So any Christians reading about "Christianophobia" are likely to end up reading that too.

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Edited by - marfknox on 04/08/2006 07:00:32
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marfknox
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Posted - 04/08/2006 :  07:06:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
Something else from that wikipedia article that makes me roll my eyes:

quote:
Numerous conflicts between the ACLU and conservative Christian activists prompted the creation of the ACLJ in 1990, by televangelist Pat Robertson. The ACLJ promotes what it sees as family values and freedom of expression, as well as establishing itself as a counterbalance to the more "liberal" ACLU. While both organizations argue that they are dedicated to defending religious liberty, each takes a vastly different approach. While the ACLU argues that the state should maintain a neutral stance on religious affairs in order to protect civil liberties, the ACLJ believes that Separation of church and state in its current form is contradictory to the original intentions of the Founding Fathers, and that policies designed to foster religious tolerance are actually intolerant of Christians. A large part of the ACLJ caseload involves defending the First Amendment rights of Christian students who believe that they have been denied freedom of speech by school administrations.
(My emphasis in bold) I roll my eyes because the ACLU has also defended Christian students' rights to express their religious beliefs in school settings where the student is clearly speaking on their own behalf (such as graduation speeches), rather than acting as a representative of the school (like teachers or coaches when they try to lead prayers in class or at games.) Or how about the fact that most cases against prayer in school that have been taken on by the ACLU involved religious (often Christian) clients who were offended by having to say the prayer of a particular sect of Christianity?

I'm so sick of criticism from positions of such willful ignorance.

"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong

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Edited by - marfknox on 04/08/2006 07:09:01
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