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Dave W.
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 Posted - 04/19/2006 : 11:57:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Maybe I need to make it a little more clear:
TF's at the species level exist, while transition between classes such as reptiles and birds do not.
Show us a fossil which is known to represent a transition between species.
Next post:quote:
Of course then you have Dave and his prejudice against any evolutionists who might disagree with Dave's version of evolution.
Like whom? Now you're just making more stuff up instead of defending your previous claims.quote:
As well as his prejudice against any creationist who might quote one of these evolutionist who Dave has determined to be completely wrong...
Once again, you're making stuff up. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 04/19/2006 : 12:33:38 [Permalink]
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| Wouldnt Arcyoptrix#sp be a species transition? What exactly do you mean by species transition? Technically all creatures could fit that description. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2006 : 13:13:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Wouldnt Arcyoptrix#sp be a species transition? What exactly do you mean by species transition? Technically all creatures could fit that description.
A fossil which is known to represent a transition from one species to another would have to be supported with evidence that whatever it was wasn't an evolutionary dead-end. In other words, we'd have to know that there were descendant species from any particular fossil, based upon Bill's assertions.
In reality, transitional fossils such as Archaeopteryx aren't a demonstration of a species-to-species transition, but of transitions at a much higher level. We've got evidence that there were dinosaurs, and we've got evidence of living birds, and all that Archaeopteryx represents is an animal somewhere in between.
Of course, technically speaking, every organism that leaves offspring potentially represents a transition at some level (even within species). But thinking about it that way renders the term meaningless. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2006 : 13:31:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Wouldnt Arcyoptrix#sp be a species transition? What exactly do you mean by species transition? Technically all creatures could fit that description.
A fossil which is known to represent a transition from one species to another would have to be supported with evidence that whatever it was wasn't an evolutionary dead-end. In other words, we'd have to know that there were descendant species from any particular fossil, based upon Bill's assertions.
In reality, transitional fossils such as Archaeopteryx aren't a demonstration of a species-to-species transition, but of transitions at a much higher level. We've got evidence that there were dinosaurs, and we've got evidence of living birds, and all that Archaeopteryx represents is an animal somewhere in between.
Of course, technically speaking, every organism that leaves offspring potentially represents a transition at some level (even within species). But thinking about it that way renders the term meaningless.
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In reality, transitional fossils such as Archaeopteryx aren't a demonstration of a species-to-species transition, but of transitions at a much higher level.
(bill) Bingo. That was/is/will be my definition for TF and always has been. If I misrepresented my definitions in any previous posts them I apologize for the confusion. When I speak of a TF I am speaking about a true link in classes. An example would be a fossil which demonstrates a true link between dinos and birds, wolfs and whales, monkeys and men ext...
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We've got evidence that there were dinosaurs, and we've got evidence of living birds, and all that Archaeopteryx represents is an animal somewhere in between.
(bill) Of course this is Dave's, and many scientists, arbitrary opinion while many other scientists have concluded that it was fully bird.
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Of course, technically speaking, every organism that leaves offspring potentially represents a transition at some level (even within species). But thinking about it that way renders the term meaningless.
(bill) Yet many on this cite will still bring up this meaningless point...
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2006 : 13:39:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Bingo. That was/is/will be my definition for TF and always has been. If I misrepresented my definitions in any previous posts them I apologize for the confusion. When I speak of a TF I am speaking about a true link in classes. An example would be a fossil which demonstrates a true link between dinos and birds, wolfs and whales, monkeys and men ext...
Thank you, Bill, for proving my point that you create your own personal definitions for the terms scientists use. Next up, I'm sure, is that we'll see you demonstrate that you claim "victory" when other people refuse to play your silly word games. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 04/19/2006 : 14:50:47 [Permalink]
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(bill) Of course this is Dave's, and many scientists, arbitrary opinion while many other scientists have concluded that it was fully bird.
Yeah, they possessed some features that modern birds do -like feathers. But they also possessed some features found in dinos but not in modern birds. Hence the conclusion that it is a transitional. Your non-referenced statement that some un-named scientists say that it is fully bird is backed up by.......?????? |
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2006 : 15:01:05 [Permalink]
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Bill, you're still avoiding the question:
How do you explain the really bad design we find in the world?
You claimed that DESIGN explains the diversity of life, but you seem to have nothing to back it up. Continuing to ignore the question undermines what little credibiity you might have. |
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