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Bill scott
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Key words in the naturalist vocabulary: I belive, we think, could have been, maybe, what if, just-so etc... etc...
Now you take issue with honesty. So people who speak with conviction and confidence while remaining ignorant of the facts are somehow so much more compelling to you. Your god should have left some evidence, but of course your god couldn't because it was created by man.
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Your god should have left some evidence
My God left plenty of evidence. You just choose to dismiss it with a hand wave and then you go back to reading your evolution dogma about Martians, drooping off the seeds of life on planet earth, as scientific theory or hypothesis.  |
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 11:26:22 [Permalink]
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Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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pleco
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 11:55:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
The truly sad part in these arguments is that he thinks he has won, that he has stumped the "atheists", that his version of god is triumphant and his logic is impervioius to assualt.
Like the dinosaurs, that worldview will, sooner or later, be relegated to the same place where the greek gods, the natural gods, and all the other failed supernatural attempts to explain the unknown; as an obsolete and incorrect view of the world, and will become nothing more than an amusing footnote in a history book.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 12:07:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Does not mean that it is the oldest one, just the oldest one found.
If you've got evidence of an older purposeful human burial, please present it.quote:
Key words in the naturalist vocabulary: I belive, we think, could have been, maybe, what if, just-so etc... etc...
I used "I believe" to indicate that the 50,000-year figure was coming from my memory, and nothing else. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 12:21:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
I can appreciate science education with the best of them. What I fully reject are dogmatic just-so stories and blatant strawman that you, the field museum and the public schools evangelize as gospel truth. And then we get a lesson on Martian theory as the sewers of the seeds of life. And then the creationists are chided as working in the realm of faith and dogmatic belief. Oh good grief. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Siberia
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 12:54:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
I can appreciate science education with the best of them. What I fully reject are dogmatic just-so stories and blatant strawman that you, the field museum and the public schools evangelize as gospel truth. And then we get a lesson on Martian theory as the sewers of the seeds of life. And then the creationists are chided as working in the realm of faith and dogmatic belief. Oh good grief.
Yep, which is exactly why I stopped attending to church. Their attempts to intrude in reality and evangelize me is rather... boring. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:08:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
The truly sad part in these arguments is that he thinks he has won, that he has stumped the "atheists", that his version of god is triumphant and his logic is impervioius to assualt.
Like the dinosaurs, that worldview will, sooner or later, be relegated to the same place where the greek gods, the natural gods, and all the other failed supernatural attempts to explain the unknown; as an obsolete and incorrect view of the world, and will become nothing more than an amusing footnote in a history book.
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The truly sad part in these arguments is that he thinks he has won, that he has stumped the "atheists", that his version of god is triumphant and his logic is impervioius to assualt.
(bill) I have not stumped the atheist. He/She has stumped themselves with their dogmatic commitment to naturalism. If they would just take their biased glasses off just once, to look around, they might get a new perspective on things. This, at the least, might keep them from having to invent more just-so stories, such as Martians who sow the seeds of life here on earth for us all. Oh brother.... Martins..... That is rich.....
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Like the dinosaurs, that worldview will, sooner or later, be relegated to the same place where the greek gods, the natural gods, and all the other failed supernatural attempts to explain the unknown;
(bill) Failed? You will never know if the supernatural explanation has failed until you die. And then you will only know If I am right. If you were right you will never know it as you are now no more and have entered your eternal state of oblivion. Good luck with all of that...
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as an obsolete and incorrect view of the world, and will become nothing more than an amusing footnote in a history book.
(bill) Well if so, it will surly find ToE, and Martian farmers, who plant the seeds of life, theory already footnoted in the history books from many moons past.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:10:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Does not mean that it is the oldest one, just the oldest one found.
If you've got evidence of an older purposeful human burial, please present it.quote:
Key words in the naturalist vocabulary: I belive, we think, could have been, maybe, what if, just-so etc... etc...
I used "I believe" to indicate that the 50,000-year figure was coming from my memory, and nothing else.
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If you've got evidence of an older purposeful human burial, please present it.
(bill) I never said I did. I just said because 50,000 is the oldest they have claimed to have found, so far, that does mean that it is the oldest. Only the oldest they have found so far.
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I used "I believe" to indicate that the 50,000-year figure was coming from my memory, and nothing else.
(bill) Well you know very well that will not cut the mustard on this forum, Dave.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:13:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Obviusly any attempt at science education is lost on Bill, who has taken willful igonance to new hieghts depths.
I can appreciate science education with the best of them. What I fully reject are dogmatic just-so stories and blatant strawman that you, the field museum and the public schools evangelize as gospel truth. And then we get a lesson on Martian theory as the sewers of the seeds of life. And then the creationists are chided as working in the realm of faith and dogmatic belief. Oh good grief.
Yep, which is exactly why I stopped attending to church. Their attempts to intrude in reality and evangelize me is rather... boring.
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Yep, which is exactly why I stopped attending to church. Their attempts to intrude in reality and evangelize me is rather... boring.
(bill) So you would rather be entertained with cartoon videos and martian stories????? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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pleco
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:30:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
(bill) I have not stumped the atheist.
He/She has stumped themselves with their dogmatic commitment to naturalism. If they would just take their biased glasses off just once, to look around, they might get a new perspective on things. This, at the least, might keep them from having to invent more just-so stories, such as Martians who sow the seeds of life here on earth for us all. Oh brother.... Martins..... That is rich.....
We know you haven't. Pot, meet kettle. You don't know the definition of a strawman, and the fact that you take the idea of life coming from another planet and call it "Martians who sow seeds" shows that you can only use ridicule and jest. I bet you know absolutely nothing of that idea (seeding of earth), but as soon as you heard the words "Mars" and "seeds" you immediately jumped to ridicule, indicating the complete closed mind that you possess.
No one that I recall has ever said that it wasn't possible for a god to have created life on earth. We just say it wasn't done overnight (or several nights) and we theorize it happened a certain way due to the evidence we have. You continue to lie about what is said here. Why is that?
Besides, who said your god didn't use that as the means to put life here? Why is that a problem for you? Does it goes against your religious text? Since you fail to provide any info to your religious views (I wonder why you hide this? Shame, weak faith?), we can't assume anything. This puts the playing field in your favor, since you know where we come from. It is quite suspect, really. Kinda makes people wonder what you are hiding...
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(bill) Failed? You will never know if the supernatural explanation has failed until you die. And then you will only know If I am right. If you were right you will never know it as you are now no more and have entered your eternal state of oblivion. Good luck with all of that...
Bill, which god did you choose? Did you choose the right one, or will you burn for choosing wrongly? You will never know until you die. Good luck with all that...(for more info, look for "Pascal's Wager")
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(bill) Well if so, it will surly find ToE, and Martian farmers, who plant the seeds of life, theory already footnoted in the history books from many moons past.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:35:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I used "I believe" to indicate that the 50,000-year figure was coming from my memory, and nothing else.
(bill) Well you know very well that will not cut the mustard on this forum, Dave.
It doesn't cut the mustard for you, Bill. And that is because you insist on mis-interpreting what we are saying to you. You obviously don't want to hear what we have to say so you engage i this word-game where you intentionally try to interpret our words as far from our intended context as possible. It's evident in these discussions, and it's fucking annoying.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 13:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dave W.
I used "I believe" to indicate that the 50,000-year figure was coming from my memory, and nothing else.
(bill) Well you know very well that will not cut the mustard on this forum, Dave.
It doesn't cut the mustard for you, Bill. And that is because you insist on mis-interpreting what we are saying to you. You obviously don't want to hear what we have to say so you engage i this word-game where you intentionally try to interpret our words as far from our intended context as possible. It's evident in these discussions, and it's fucking annoying.
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and it's fucking annoying.
Are you whining? I thought that was a neo-con atribute? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 14:18:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by Bill scott
(bill) I have not stumped the atheist.
He/She has stumped themselves with their dogmatic commitment to naturalism. If they would just take their biased glasses off just once, to look around, they might get a new perspective on things. This, at the least, might keep them from having to invent more just-so stories, such as Martians who sow the seeds of life here on earth for us all. Oh brother.... Martins..... That is rich.....
We know you haven't. Pot, meet kettle. You don't know the definition of a strawman, and the fact that you take the idea of life coming from another planet and call it "Martians who sow seeds" shows that you can only use ridicule and jest. I bet you know absolutely nothing of that idea (seeding of earth), but as soon as you heard the words "Mars" and "seeds" you immediately jumped to ridicule, indicating the complete closed mind that you possess.
No one that I recall has ever said that it wasn't possible for a god to have created life on earth. We just say it wasn't done overnight (or several nights) and we theorize it happened a certain way due to the evidence we have. You continue to lie about what is said here. Why is that?
Besides, who said your god didn't use that as the means to put life here? Why is that a problem for you? Does it goes against your religious text? Since you fail to provide any info to your religious views (I wonder why you hide this? Shame, weak faith?), we can't assume anything. This puts the playing field in your favor, since you know where we come from. It is quite suspect, really. Kinda makes people wonder what you are hiding...
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(bill) Failed? You will never know if the supernatural explanation has failed until you die. And then you will only know If I am right. If you were right you will never know it as you are now no more and have entered your eternal state of oblivion. Good luck with all of that...
Bill, which god did you choose? Did you choose the right one, or will you burn for choosing wrongly? You will never know until you die. Good luck with all that...(for more info, look for "Pascal's Wager")
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(bill) Well if so, it will surly find ToE, and Martian farmers, who plant the seeds of life, theory already footnoted in the history books from many moons past.
Again with the jokes. You have and have never had anything of substance.
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You don't know the definition of a strawman, and the fact that you take the idea of life coming from another planet and call it "Martians who sow seeds" shows that you can only use ridicule and jest.
(bill) I was just quoting from the piece, by Rebecca Morelle, that we have been discussing all day long. Did you read it?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4702336.stm
Just because you don't care to use the word martians it is not my problem. But martians do come from mars.
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I bet you know absolutely nothing of that idea (seeding of earth), but as soon as you heard the words "Mars" and "seeds" you immediately jumped to ridicule, indicating the complete closed mind that you possess.
(bill) I bet you know nothing absolutely nothing about it and will just forward me some just-so links to cover for you on this hypothesis.
"Professor Monica Grady, from the UK's Open University, will explore the possibility of a Martian existence at the meeting."
"She will discuss whether a Martian biosphere once existed by examining research into the carbon chemistry of Mars."
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No one that I recall has ever said that it wasn't possible for a god to have created life on earth. We just say it wasn't done overnight (or several nights)
(bill) How do you know this?
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and we theorize it happened a certain way due to the evidence we have.
(bill) Right, the seeds for life came from mars. Maybe....
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You continue to lie about what is said here. Why is that?
(bill) What did I lie about?
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Again with the jokes. You have and have never had anything of substance.
(bill) Oh don't play so coy here P. You and your buddies on this website make a hobby out of mocking, ridiculing, poking fun in jest, or just going off in a cursing tirade when it comes to anyone who will not tow the party line for you. All of a sudden when somebody mocks your views it is a horrific offence and it deletes the rest of his/her posts as void of content, by default.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 14:49:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
and it's fucking annoying.
Are you whining?
No. I'm expressing my exasperation about you being unwilling to understand what we saying to you, and your childish need to constantly mis-interpreting the things we write, as you just did.
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I thought that was a neo-con atribute?
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Siberia
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 15:42:27 [Permalink]
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