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Oooooo, Mr. Carter! Let me guess:
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And why such incompetence? Why do we have an appendix? Why are there blind fish with eyes? What about spina bifida? Or phenylketonuria How about Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis? A friend of mine died of ALS, and it's a real bitch of a disease. It slowly wastes your body, but leaves your mind perfectly healthy so you know what's happening and what's coming. And it's 100% fatal.
It was because of that woman (which god created) and her apple (which god created), right? And that talking snake (which god created) and the tree (which god created). And sin (which god created) and evil (which god created).
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moakley
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 18:45:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by moakley
Your god should have left some evidence
My God left plenty of evidence. You just choose to dismiss it with a hand wave and then you go back to reading your evolution dogma about Martians, drooping off the seeds of life on planet earth, as scientific theory or hypothesis.
Ok, Bill present your evidence.
Keep in mind that testimonials do not constitute evidence. A lot of people believing something doesn't either.
btw. I do not recall anyone mentioning anything about panspermia.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 20:41:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Bill scott
How likely is it that even a single bacterium could form by chance in the primordial sea? Not very likely, that's for sure....
The idea that life began when a bacterium came together by chance is a strawman, Bill.quote:
So any ideas on where the "primordial entities" came from that Darwin was referring to?
It doesn't actually matter where they came from - once they got here, they evolved.
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The idea that life began when a bacterium came together by chance is a strawman, Bill
The idea that the origin of matter, the universe, and life it's very self can be explaned by natural processes is a mirage, Dave, constructed with U.S. certified smoke and mirrors.
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It doesn't actually matter where they came from
(bill) Wrong, on so many levels. It all hinges on where they came from, Dave.
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- once they got here,
(bill) How might they have got here, again, Dave?
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they evolved.
(bill) What evedence do you have to support this claim, Dave?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/03/2006 : 21:11:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The idea that the origin of matter, the universe, and life it's very self can be explaned by natural processes is a mirage, Dave, constructed with U.S. certified smoke and mirrors.
Prove it.quote:
(bill) Wrong, on so many levels. It all hinges on where they came from, Dave.
Prove it.quote:
(bill) How might they have got here, again, Dave?
As I said, with regard to evolutionary theory, it doesn't matter.quote:
(bill) What evedence do you have to support this claim, Dave?
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filthy
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 03:45:52 [Permalink]
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I swear to whichever god isn't busy or drunk at the moment, the man is an intellectual hiatus.
Bill, your every question has been answered, with reference. Your every statement has been dealt with, with reference. Further, we have done this many times over the course of your tenure here. Further still, we have done this so many times because you have put forth nothing but the same, tired, old crap, page after page, post after post. What, are you some kind of crank-addled, animated Xerox machine?
Here's a little light reading for you: The Quixotic Message. See anything familiar? You might find this site interesting as well. I did.
That is assuming, of course, that you will actually open the links -- a very tenuous assumption indeed, as you have a history of ignoring anything that might not agree with your version of the Life and Times of the Easter Bunny.
Oh, and here's another concerning a soul mate of yours, and another.
And here's the creationist's favorite pastime: quote mining. You should study this one carefully, as you're not really very good at it.
In all truth, I'm slightly amazed that after 400 & some-odd bullshit posts, contributing nothing to any discussion you have been in, no one has called you a troll as yet. Go figger... 
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moakley
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 04:47:11 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the links. Yep, God did it. And the proof is how he put in place all of the lying liars who support him. Such as Bill Dembski:
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"As for your example, I'm not going to take the bait. You're asking me to play a game: "Provide as much detail in terms of possible causal mechanisms for your ID position as I do for my Darwinian position." ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it's not ID's task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If ID is correct and an intelligence is responsible and indispensable for certain structures, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots."
And he has also said.
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"You've charged me with moving the goalposts and adjusting the definition of irreducible complexity because I require of evolutionary biologists to "connect the dots" in a causally convincing way. The dots here are functional precursors that could conceivably have evolved into the final system of interest.
Seems clear to me, this being representative, which side is being honest concerning the available evidence. And I thought lying was one of the big ten.
edited to add: Just a minute now. That one link made it clear that Kent Hovind is a pathological liar, too. That's just not fair since he is lying in the absence of his god. |
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 05:02:28 [Permalink]
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Intellegent Design....
"The creationists' fondness for "gaps" in the fossil record is a metaphor for their love of gaps in knowledge generally. Gaps, by default, are filled by God. You don't know how the nerve impulse works? Good! You don't understand how memories are laid down in the brain? Excellent! Is photosynthesis a bafflingly complex process? Wonderful! Please don't go to work on the problem, just give up, and appeal to God. Dear scientist, don't work on your mysteries. Bring us your mysteries for we can use them. Don't squander precious ignorance by researching it away. Ignorance is God's gift to Kansas."
--Richard Dawkins, FRS. Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science, at Oxford University. Taken from his essay Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 06:50:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The idea that the origin of matter, the universe, and life it's very self can be explaned by natural processes is a mirage, Dave, constructed with U.S. certified smoke and mirrors.
Prove it.quote:
(bill) Wrong, on so many levels. It all hinges on where they came from, Dave.
Prove it.quote:
(bill) How might they have got here, again, Dave?
As I said, with regard to evolutionary theory, it doesn't matter.quote:
(bill) What evedence do you have to support this claim, Dave?
All sorts of evidence that you prejudiciously reject with an appeal to some sort of unnamed, unspecified, unknowable and unevidenced deity.
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The idea that the origin of matter, the universe, and life it's very self can be explained by natural processes is a mirage, Dave, constructed with U.S. certified smoke and mirrors.
Prove it.
(bill) 1. The fact alone that they have now moved the search to Mars in the search for a plausible hypothesis on the naturalistic origins of life is proof enough.
2. The willingness for a man of science to claim that, "it does not matter where it came from" when trying to answer the question of where Darwin's "simple primordial entities of first life" came from, hammers this fact home.
It doesn't actually matter where they came from - once they got here, they evolved. Dave W.
Dave: Say Bill, where did God come from?
Bill: God is eternal and has no beginning or end. He created time and space so therefore he is not bound to time and space.
Dave: Yeah right. Says you, Bill.
Bill: Where did Darwin's first "simple primordial entities" of life come from and what were they? And if they are so simple how did they pop into existence preprogrammed for life?
Dave: "It doesn't actually matter where they came from - once they got here, they evolved."
Bill: Yeah right. Says you, Dave.
More smoke and mirrors when it comes to species origin. The fossil record is the biggest example. Evolutionist like to parade fossils around as evidence for naturalistic mechanisms creating the vast species. Here is what Darwin had to say on the subject:
The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, (must) be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory.
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moakley
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 07:55:34 [Permalink]
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Duane Gish, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, and now Bill Scott. That is the way I see Bill's post evolving. Repeating a bunch of assertion that the average Joe and Jane will simply accept. Assertions that have already been shown to be false, but repeated never the less. But the refutation of these assertion take more than just a line or two and the likes of Bill would ignore it anyway.
Bill is hopelessly content with his unevidence god, completely satisfied in the ignorance of magical thinking. Bill's mind is closed to the reality of this life. He is truly a sad and pathetic animal. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 08:07:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Who's the designer, Bill? Could it be a martian? What mechanism did it use to design and implement life as we know it?
And why such incompetence? Why do we have an appendix? Why are there blind fish with eyes? What about spina bifida? Or phenylketonuria How about Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis? A friend of mine died of ALS, and it's a real bitch of a disease. It slowly wastes your body, but leaves your mind perfectly healthy so you know what's happening and what's coming. And it's 100% fatal.
Your designer sucks, Bill.
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Your designer sucks, Bill.
Yet man, in all his self-absorbed glory, can not duplicate the creation of bringing matter into existence from nothing, and then turn this matter into complex life. Heck, not only can man not duplicate it, he can't even come up with a plausible hypothesis on how it was done. Calamities on mars, which send the missing molecules for life from mars to earth on a cosmic asteroid shuttle system, is not plausible, but rather laughable. And evidence of your desperation for even a hypothesis for abiogenesis....
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 08:23:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Duane Gish, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, and now Bill Scott. That is the way I see Bill's post evolving. Repeating a bunch of assertion that the average Joe and Jane will simply accept. Assertions that have already been shown to be false, but repeated never the less. But the refutation of these assertion take more than just a line or two and the likes of Bill would ignore it anyway.
Bill is hopelessly content with his unevidence god, completely satisfied in the ignorance of magical thinking. Bill's mind is closed to the reality of this life. He is truly a sad and pathetic animal.
Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species
The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, (must) be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory.
Dr. Edward E. Max while debating Dr Lee Spetner:
I agree that there are no definitive examples where a macroevolutionary change (such as the development of cetaceans from terrestrial mammals) has been shown to result from a specific chain of mutations. And I agree with your further comment that “we have no way of observing a long series of mutations.” But you go on to say that “our inability to observe such series cannot be used as a justification for the assumption that the series Darwinian theory requires indeed exist.” An equally reasonable conclusion, in my view, would be that our inability to observe such series cannot be used as a justification for the assumption that such a series of mutations did NOT occur.
Dr. Colin Patterson, a senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History,:
I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it… Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin's authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it. Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils… It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test.
Harvard professor Stephen J. Gould said:
The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils.
Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links?
Charles Darwin
So where are they hidding the truley enormous amouts of intermediate fossils Darwin said we will find?
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Paulos23
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moakley
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 09:24:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
So where are they hidding the truley enormous amouts of intermediate fossils Darwin said we will find?
Bill Scott
Bill, I have already read all of that in one of your previous post. I know that sincerely repeating nonsense as if it were the truth works in church, but here you are just being redundant. You have shown yourself to be a dishonest debater by refusing to read the evidence contained in the links provided, or simply dismissing it, or completely spinning the meaning to fit within your limited view of the world.
I suspect that even these criticism will have no impact on you. You already know your Truth, a Truth that was given to you and confirmed through repetition.
edited to add: There you go Paulos23, like so many others, has provided the information you requested. So what are you going to do; refuse to read, simply dismiss, or completely spin? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 09:45:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Paulos23
Bill, Bill, Bill,
I thought we went over this with you before about fossilization. Read up on it in these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossils
http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199801/0164.html
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_1998/spriggs.htm
Fossils are rare things only happens under set conditions. It is very consevable that there are scpecies that are/where on this earth that never got fossiled.
Your quote of Charles Darwin clearly shows Darwin's lack of knowlage about fossilization. If he knew then what we know now about fossilization he would retract that statement.
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Your quote of Charles Darwin clearly shows Darwin's lack of knowlage about fossilization. If he knew then what we know now about fossilization he would retract that statement.
Oh, I see, now you are going to speak for Charles Darwin. Well then, so will I. If Charles Darwin knew then what we know now he would have abandoned the theory all togather... |
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Paulos23
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 11:02:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Paulos23
Bill, Bill, Bill,
I thought we went over this with you before about fossilization. Read up on it in these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossils
http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199801/0164.html
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_1998/spriggs.htm
Fossils are rare things only happens under set conditions. It is very consevable that there are scpecies that are/where on this earth that never got fossiled.
Your quote of Charles Darwin clearly shows Darwin's lack of knowlage about fossilization. If he knew then what we know now about fossilization he would retract that statement.
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Your quote of Charles Darwin clearly shows Darwin's lack of knowlage about fossilization. If he knew then what we know now about fossilization he would retract that statement.
Oh, I see, now you are going to speak for Charles Darwin. Well then, so will I. If Charles Darwin knew then what we know now he would have abandoned the theory all togather...
I don't buy it. Even if he did, someone else would have presented the theory anyway. In fact someone did publish the idea before Darwin did (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace). The evidence for the theory of evolution is so strong Bill, any scientist would have put it together eventualy.
Darwin is credited with the theory because he spent years interpreting his data, and he had a more detailed theory then Alfred because of it.
Edited to add: Also, the modern day theory of evolution has moved passed Darwin. He laid a good foundation for it, but it has changed as new evidence and more complete evidence is found. |
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