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Dave W.
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 Posted - 04/04/2006 : 19:05:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I Googled Dr Sarich. He seems to be a prominent geneticist, evolutionist and is a professor at Stanford. I suggest you go through his works and find the numbers because they are incorrect and I think ol' Marv took something out of context or is mis-quoting the professor. If we have 3 million differences just between one human and another it seems unlikely those numbers as stated are correct. Perhaps he used the numbers as a hypothetical example rather than saying they were factual.
I think that Mab nailed the reason for the numbers being off. Dr. Sarich's real claim to fame is being instrumental in the development of the "molecular clock" idea in 1978, just a year before those numbers were put forth in a debate he had. The result he came up with - that humans and apes diverged only five million years ago - was extremely controversial at the time (the fossil folks had it pegged at 13 million years), and in the last 27 years, Dr. Sarich's number has been revised upward. Last I saw, it was getting closer to seven million years. Given that the "tick rate" of the molecular clock has also been revised over that same 27 years, I think you'll find the current numbers to be higher.
But, bibleland said he isn't worried about the actual numbers, just whether or not the speciation event(s) are even measurable (at least that's the impression I had before he posted Lubenov's email). When you think about it, to a young-Earth creationist, all the numbers are moot, anyway, since there was no speciation event and any answer over 6,000 years is impossible.
By the way, one of the genetic data points I find handy when thinking about these sorts of comparisons, along the lines of your "3 million differences just between one human and another," is that if you compare the DNA of two random white guys in the U.S., the number of differences will probably be larger than if you compare the DNA of the average white guy to the average African-American male. If the differences between "races" are less than the differences between individuals of a single race, then I doubt that the three-million BP difference you cite would be strictly comparable (in a sort of linear fashion) to the differences between an "average human" and an "average A. afarensis," for example. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 20:14:45 [Permalink]
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Right, Dave.
And consider this...
If there really was a global flood roughly 4000 years ago, then the mutation rate of the genome has to be enormous in order to produce the genetic diversity we see to day in humans. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 10:15:05 [Permalink]
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| Not just humans, remember all the non-arked animals were killed off then as well. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 10:23:30 [Permalink]
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Just thought of a great one-panel cartoon for who-ever wants it...and pre-sorry for offending someones.
Scene is the dining room on the Ark with a calender on the wall with 20 or so days marked off, Noah is clearly enjoying the meal and behind him Noah's wife wispers to someone else "Just dont tell him its stegasaurus burger."
The punch line has some huge leeway if you want to change it... or have Noah say it. (Noah didnt build the ark to get away from his wife right?) |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
| Edited by - BigPapaSmurf on 04/05/2006 10:24:26 |
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Bibleland
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pleco
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 13:28:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bibleland
Well I did it and I'm sure it will not make too many here happy.
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Bibleland
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pleco
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 14:05:49 [Permalink]
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| Ah, thanks! Hard to tell from the small image. |
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