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Hawks
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 Posted - 05/06/2006 : 23:03:13 [Permalink]
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Once again, you show me fully formed living organisms. Says nothing of your Phantom Physics.
This guy is sooo much better than Bill. He actually wants his "true links" to be "half formed"!(?)
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Where are your trans germinal bacterium? After all, they are not that complex are they? They shouldn't need all of their parts to exist.
(I wonder what a trans germinal bacterium is) No, most probably don't need all their parts to exist. The bacterium with the smallest known genome, Mycoplasma genitalium, only has roughly 250 genes, while some bacteria have thousands. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 23:16:27 [Permalink]
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It is interesting to note that Behe started his "Irreducible Complexity" nonsense after he had tenure.... Open the link and read on.......
I did and as near as I can tell irreducible complexity is anything that Behe can't uderatand how it might function with less than all its parts. The immune system example made me think about how the immune system is a good example of unintelligent design. It is like having an army of thugs and foreign mercenaries - likely to turn on the society they are supposed to protect. Our immune system is likely to betray us at any time in the form of autoimmune disease, allergic reactions to innocuos substances, or a massive overreaction to a disease. Most of the deaths from the 1918 flu epidemic were due to such an excessive immune response. This is inteeligent design???? |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 20:01:10 [Permalink]
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And Marf, you don't have enough fossils. You need to account for every second of every day from now to 60 million years ago with a fossil before Bill will accept the theory.
(bill) LOL. I ask you to show me the procession of fossils that would best show the graduating steps of macroevolution if one wanted to convince others of the light that they have seen and you reply by stating that I insist that you fully account for the last 60 millions years. Oh that is rich...
Hey Bill, I spent a good 30 minutes writing those posts on the horse and the elephant. In addition to the fossils, I posted links to two scientific studies (in regards to the elephant) that correlated perfectly with how the fossils were being interpreted. (One was a hemoglobin comparison, and the other was a study of the genes.) And both I and filthy brought up the whale and austropithecines like Homo habilis. But you never respond with anything that debunks all these thousands of fossils we keep bringing up that really make it look like life on earth evolves from one species to another. Instead you either ignore what we say all-together, have petty arguments about the argument itself, or make distracting and irrelevant comments like these: quote:
Looks like a low budget version of Planet of the Apes or Land of the Lost to me. Using a tier 2 or 3 actor on top of it. I can get a costume at Wal-Mart that looks better then that ridicules picture. And what's up with the gotee and Elvis side burns?
Are you going to respond to the actual scientific evidence brought up, or are you just going to continue pretending we're not piling up the evidence while you engage in some sort of meta-debate?
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(bill) So what? Otters will do the same thing to bust open a clam. Doesn't mean that they are pre-human. Now when these chimps build a Bridgeport from scratch and then start doing some high precision machining to build themselves a high tech nutcracker then I will be impressed.
Don't transitional forms by definition NOT have all the traits of the forms on either ends? Flying lemurs and bats are also close evolutionary cousins. (Under the superorder Archonta are the Orders of Chiroptera <bats> and Dermoptera <colugos, which includes flying lemurs>). The existence of flying lemurs (who do not possess true flight – they can merely glide short distances.) shows that semi-flight can be a useful adaptation for certain environments, and this gives strength to the plausibility that bats evolved from flightless mammals. Your comment about chimps not being able to build high tech nutcrackers is as silly as demanding that the flying lemur be able to fly as well as the bat. They are different animals that are adapted for different ecological niches.
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Besides, I would say that this an example of de-evolution as many public educated students of today would clearly be out excelled by the chimps.
I know it was a joke, but the fact that you even use the word “de-evolution” implies ignorance of what evol |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 20:04:28 [Permalink]
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I'm too tired to spell check, but you guys want evolution to happen so bad, you forgot to check your facts.
Again, why has a bat fossil, evolutionits say evloeved a long time, the fossil ages 450 million years, but when compared to a modern bat, they have changed very little.
Bats have changed tremendously. We don't even need fossils to show that. Look at the incredible variation across different species of bats. And they are all different species verlch – all bats can't just breed with each other and produce viable offspring.
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No a bat is really complex. The moon supossedly broke away from the earth 2.5 billion years ago, only allowing a fixed amount of time for fossils. There are no fossils of mice evolving into bats, or how ever else it happend.
Apparently your brain moves faster than your hands can type, because I'm not getting how that second sentence fits between the first and third. But anyway, mice??? And you are claiming to know anything about the evolution (or lack of evolution) regarding bats!?
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How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There is a line from “Through the Looking Glass” that is often quoted by biologists: "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do to keep in the same place". “the same place” is surviving, “you” is any given organism, and “running” is change over time (evolution).
The things which live today are different from the things that existed in the past, and that is because the environment was different. Most things from the past are extinct because other things evolved to out-compete them (or consume them). Every time some population group developed new traits, everything else around it responds. There are plenty of examples of this that we can observe especially in diseases like syphilis. When syphilis first appeared in humans (so it evolved) it was more often than not a deadly killer. It is not nearly gone now only because of modern medicine. The disease itself became more tame and less deadly. This is because parasites that kill their hosts, usually kill themselves too. Parasites that keep the host alive, survive better and produce more offspring, and thus become more common. And we see that as humans try harder and harder to kill bacteria with antibiotics, the more deadly they become because the only ones who survive are the ones who are immune to the antibiotics. The point is, there is change in a population because of a change in environmental stresses put on that population. To simply look at current ecosystems and assume not only that it was always this way, but that it can only be this way, is to ignore geological facts of the earth's history, as well as the biological evidence for evolution.
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There are no atheists in foxholes
What, like Paul Kurtz? Are you aware that there are soldiers with atheist designations on their tags so that when they are memorialized, they have the symbol for American Atheists on their graves?
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 08:35:08 [Permalink]
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| Marf... it's Verlch. The human equivalent of talking to a brick wall. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 10:51:10 [Permalink]
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Marf... it's Verlch. The human equivalent of talking to a brick wall.
I know. But I was bored last night and thought 'what the hell?' |
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Siberia
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 12:38:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Siberia wrote: quote:
Marf... it's Verlch. The human equivalent of talking to a brick wall.
I know. But I was bored last night and thought 'what the hell?'
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 16:20:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by marfknox
Siberia wrote: quote:
Marf... it's Verlch. The human equivalent of talking to a brick wall.
I know. But I was bored last night and thought 'what the hell?'
Good point
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 17:54:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Is this the smiley you were looking for?
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It's a little graphic, but this is exactly how debating with some people makes me feel.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 18:23:10 [Permalink]
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| [Alright, we've reached the 15-page limit and the silliness limit at the same time. This thread is hereby closed. - Dave W.] |
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