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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:10:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
(bill) Of course I don't know how the ponds and puddles in your story are created, it's not my story, but rather yours.
Any five-year old could tell you how ponds and puddles form: rain water fills up indentations and cavities on the ground. See, how hard was that?
Or, in case of ocean water-front land, sea-swells may fill them up.
You don't have to be a geologist to figure that one out.
Sometimes Bill, I find your single-track mind astonishingly narrow-sighted, or tunnel-visioned. While I admire your focus on your belief, and your tenacity of carrying out your mission, I think you are misguided. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:13:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
So what does AF say that they believe now? Will they believe this next year, in five years, 10 years? Where does this madness stop?
Ah, I see: science is "madness" because its conclusions change in the face of new evidence.quote:
You must first show me a TF and then I will ask my question.
Nevermind. It's clear that instead of trying to learn what "evolutionists" think, you're just switching back to your own personal definition of "transitional fossil." |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:25:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
So what does AF say that they believe now? Will they believe this next year, in five years, 10 years? Where does this madness stop?
Ah, I see: science is "madness" because its conclusions change in the face of new evidence.quote:
You must first show me a TF and then I will ask my question.
Nevermind. It's clear that instead of trying to learn what "evolutionists" think, you're just switching back to your own personal definition of "transitional fossil."
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So what does AF say that they believe now? Will they believe this next year, in five years, 10 years? Where does this madness stop?
Ah, I see: science is "madness" because its conclusions change in the face of new evidence.
(bill) Science no. Your just-so stories yes. It is not my problem that you fail to make a distinction....
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Dave W.
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26030 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:29:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Science no. Your just-so stories yes. It is not my problem that you fail to make a distinction....
I don't see any "just-so" stories here, perhaps you could show one to me. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
2103 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:31:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
(bill) Of course I don't know how the ponds and puddles in your story are created, it's not my story, but rather yours.
Any five-year old could tell you how ponds and puddles form: rain water fills up indentations and cavities on the ground. See, how hard was that?
Or, in case of ocean water-front land, sea-swells may fill them up.
You don't have to be a geologist to figure that one out.
Sometimes Bill, I find your single-track mind astonishingly narrow-sighted, or tunnel-visioned. While I admire your focus on your belief, and your tenacity of carrying out your mission, I think you are misguided.
And so were these the ponds and puddles that Dave spoke of when his first tetrapods begain to crawl out of these little pools on to dry land? What evidence can you show me that demonstrates this? |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
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2103 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:35:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
Science no. Your just-so stories yes. It is not my problem that you fail to make a distinction....
I don't see any "just-so" stories here, perhaps you could show one to me.
#1 your puddles and ponds that, along with Darwins primordial entities, were just there and no explanation at all is required for their origin, according to you that is... |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 13:08:46 [Permalink]
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Bill, I have a question that I would very very much like to hear you answer.
What would be your conjecture of what a transitional fossil would look like if one existed between dinosaurs and birds? Could a fossil be found that would make you say, "Hmmm.. There may be something to this dino - bird relationship"?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26030 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 13:23:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
#1 your puddles and ponds that, along with Darwins primordial entities, were just there and no explanation at all is required for their origin, according to you that is...
I never said any such thing, Bill. The theory of evolution cannot explain the origin of life itself ("primordial entities"). A different theory attempts to explain that. It's not my problem that you refuse to make the distinction.
Same with the puddles and ponds. Geology, meteorology, physics and several other sciences explain their origins, not the theory of evolution. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 13:35:39 [Permalink]
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Bill seems reluctant to tell us how many creation (hem-hem) scientists and misquoted evolutionists are named 'Steve.'
Perhaps I'm being too subtle.
Ah well, no matter, although I suppose we'll be getting more argumentum ad verecundiam as we go along.
Here's something that creationists such as himself can blither about endlessly, and have:
Transitional species? intermediate species? What?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9695 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 13:49:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Bill seems reluctant to tell us how many creation (hem-hem) scientists and misquoted evolutionists are named 'Steve.'
Perhaps I'm being too subtle.
Ah well, no matter, although I suppose we'll be getting more argumentum ad verecundiam as we go along.
Here's something that creationists such as himself can blither about endlessly, and have:
Transitional species? intermediate species? What?
Filthy, that's a bird. Can't you see? It's laying eggs and has a duck-bill. And we all know that ducks are birds that lay eggs. So what? It cannot fly, neither can the ostrich, nor the penguine. But just as a penguine, it is a master swimmer. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:07:14 [Permalink]
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Filthy, that's a bird. Can't you see? It's laying eggs and has a duck-bill. And we all know that ducks are birds that lay eggs. So what? It cannot fly, neither can the ostrich, nor the penguine. But just as a penguine, it is a master swimmer.
But Doc.... It has no wings nor even a vestage of them, has fur instead of feathers, and it's bill is an electro-sensitive organ not used for feeding. Further, the males have venomous spurs and the females have tits like Bette Davis -- well, almost. 
What sort of a bird is that?!! I think they are space aliens -- eat yer livers, Hollywood writers! You ain't hittin' on shit!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26030 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:17:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
What sort of a bird is that?!!
Can you prove that no bird, living or dead, ever shared all the characteristics of the platypus? Didn't think so. Therefore, God exists. |
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
198 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:17:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Filthy
...the females have tits like Bette Davis -- well, almost.
What sort of a bird is that?!! 
A Boobie,
maybe a titmouse?
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:31:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill:
Can you go into some of this evidence? I am very interested as to how lungs and limbs, to be used on land, get developed by natural selection in the water before the critter is even on land. To me it seems like that would take forethought and design?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:42:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by filthy
What sort of a bird is that?!!
Can you prove that no bird, living or dead, ever shared all the characteristics of the platypus? Didn't think so. Therefore, God exists.
Nope. But....
Therefore, if God exists and came up with such an avian fiasco, he needs to get his meds updated. Or reduced.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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