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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  08:50:47  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Check out this entry over on a blog called "Live Grenades," a portion of which reads,
Berating a sixth grader would do no one any good, and certainly wouldn't fix the broken science education system on display.
Very true, although I think flogging the judges who gave the project an honorable mention might make some folks feel better.

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Ricky
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  09:52:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
I find it difficult to accept such a thing could get through so many levels of "scrutiny." Maybe depressing is a better word that difficult. Those who passed this as legitimate science should be hunted down and shot, or at least fired.

I've never been involved with many science fairs myself, but isn't the point of a science fair to present some sort of experiment? Something you actually made? Not just a string of (flawed) arguments, right?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  18:26:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
In effect, that kid's Science Fair project was simply him/her saying, "Fuck science."

That at any level this "project" was taken seriously says volumes about the idiocy of the judges.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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JohnOAS
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Australia
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  18:31:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit JohnOAS's Homepage Send JohnOAS a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
I think flogging the judges who gave the project an honorable mention might make some folks feel better.



Absolutely.

While most places have laws preventing you from vetting someone from becoming a science teacher based on religious beliefs (and rightly so, at least in broad terms), surely there could be few cunningly designed questions hidden in form "42C: application to become a Science Fair Judge", e.g.

Q1: The Scientific Method is best described as:
A. The preferred way to figure stuff out.
B. OK, if the answer isn't already given in a religious text of some sort.
C. An abomination unto the lord.

Q2: John is an atheist, his friend Jim and Jim's sister are catholic. What can we infer from this?
A. Statistically, nearly 67% of people believe in god.
B. Theists and non-theists can actually get along.
C. They're all going to hell.

Q3: Two cancer sufferers are part of a study. One eats only corn flakes for breakfast. The second puts sliced banana on their corn flakes. The second patient's cancer goes into remission, the first patient's condition worsens. What are the evident causal relationships?
A. Banana's (in moderation) cure cancer.
B. None, you're a fruit loop.
C. I'd really need to know what brand of milk they used to make that determination.

You get the idea.

John's just this guy, you know.
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R.Wreck
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USA
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  19:03:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
Maybe the kid went to the wrong science fair.

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marfknox
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  19:16:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
R. Wreck wrote:
quote:
Maybe the kid went to the wrong science fair.
So I know that Objective Ministries is a fake outfit, but did they actually conduct a science fair, or are the pictures from something else? Anyone know?

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moakley
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Posted - 05/01/2006 :  19:20:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
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