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 Posted - 05/26/2001 : 21:58:55 [Permalink]
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Kurisusan;
You said,yes I can prove that the emperor Nero really existed.I thought that someone might tell the truth and say"No".You are indeed foolish if you think that you can.After all you are the ones telling me not to believe in the Bible because it was written by men and not God.How old are you?Where you there when Nero did his thing?Yea,are you a living witness?
>So are you saying unto us,that yea,there is no such thing as a Christian.
I think you need to re-read what I said.Then ask God to give you an understanding.Notwithstanding,I said no such thing.I was trying to agree with you.
>Yea,I say unto you,He:Prove it.
I can't prove it,but I can let you and people like you prove it for me.By the things that you say and do prove that the Bible's Historical claims are indeed reliable.Also the Christians prove that the Bible is of God.By the things that they say and do.Because this world is fulfilling all the prophecies that were written concerning us in this generation.
Are you turning the truth into fables?
(2nd Timothy 4:3&4)Thanks;He.
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@tomic
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:00:21 [Permalink]
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I can't prove it,but I can let you and people like you prove it for me.By the things that you say and do prove that the Bible's Historical claims are indeed reliable.Also the Christians prove that the Bible is of God.By the things that they say and do.Because this world is fulfilling all the prophecies that were written concerning us in this generation.
You have an interesting notion of what "proof" means.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:01:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic:
You have an interesting notion of what "proof" means.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing!
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Slater
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:03:35 [Permalink]
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He: you realize, of course, that you are not fooling anybody. We are wise to the little game you are playing.
People tell you that you are as dumb as a "potato." They are saying that they are better than you, and you don't like it one tiny bit.
You stumbled across this site. (I don't believe for one second that any god brought you here. What, did stone tablets appear with the URL written in flaming letters?)
You see it as your chance to finally tell other people that you are better than they. You want to boost your ego at the expense of others, just as people have done to you.
You don't join the discussion. You don't even try to use reason.
All you do is boast and threaten people who are honestly seeking to arrive at the facts.
Well, Spud, I for one don't give a rat if you feel good about yourself or not.
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He
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:05:07 [Permalink]
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@tomic>You have an interesting notion of what"proof"means.
@tomic>Why did Jesus make such a big deal about things that were simply not issues in his day?If you want to say that since he was the son of God,he knew what was to come,why didn't he come out and warn everyone about Adolf Hitler or something even farther in the future.
Kurisusan>Funny,I was thinking the same thing.
Kurisusan>The point is ,why do you believe the bible is accurate?This thread is called"Did Jesus Really Exist?",and so far the evidence says"No",The Bible is Not a reliable source,it is a work of propaganda from a little less than two thousand years ago.
Round about two thousand years ago.It was written in a book;That people like @tomic and Kurisusan would come alone and turn God's truth into fables.It was written and it has been done.Thanks;He.
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@tomic
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:06:23 [Permalink]
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Round about two thousand years ago.It was written in a book;That people like @tomic and Kurisusan would come alone and turn God's truth into fables.It was written and it has been done.Thanks;He.
Actually, the Bible started as a fable and folks like us merely attempt to point that out to anyone that cares to listen.
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He
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:07:30 [Permalink]
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>Actually,the Bible started as a fable and folks like us merely attempt to point that out to anyone that cares to listen.
Who told you that??Where did you get"The Bible started as a fable from"?You need to look at the things you are using to turn the Bible into a fable.You are using fables.If you are a true skeptic,you would prove your history first.From what I can tell;The men in your history is nothing to be proud of.How can you tell if you are not using lies against the truth.I don't understand how you can tell me not to believe the Bible,because of pegans.When those same pegans wrote your History.You see I am that true Skeptic,because I don't believe that they wrote anything.Actually you have to prove to me that they wrote the Bible and History,and yea;I do care to listen.Thanks;He.
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@tomic
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:09:16 [Permalink]
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Who told you that??Where did you get"The Bible started as a fable from"?You need to look at the things you are using to turn the Bible into a fable.You are using fables.
Who told me? No one had to tell me. There are people that figure it out themselves. I'll let you in on a little secret. The secret of what I use to reveal to folks that the Bible is a fable. That's right I can use a fable, like you said. You got me on that one. Heh, all you need is the Bible to turn it into a fable because it's just a fable. Not every bit of it surely. There are some real bits of history snuggled in there with horn blowing angels and all that jazz. I don't feel a need to quote any particular parts of the Bible. The fantasy sort of stands out like a penguin in a desert. Why is it that all these fantastic things used to happen so regularly but nowadays we have to go to the movies to see special effects of the sort god used to toss around gleefully?
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Slater
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:10:39 [Permalink]
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He, did you ever see the movie "The Wizard of Oz"?
There is a scene where Toto gets his collar caught in some draperies and pulls them aside so that you can see Prof. Marvel frantically pulling levers and turning wheels. At this point the huge floating head in the Wizards throne room shouts "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain (two huge balls of fire burst) I the, er ummm, the great and powerful, uh, Wizard of Oz have spoken!!!"
Remember that? Well that is what St Timothy is doing when he complains that people will make the Christ story into a fable. He doesn't want you to see the obvious. The story of Jesus is not only similar to old "Pagan" fables—it IS these very same fables.
The same thing happens when the Apostle Thomas misses the first reappearance of Jesus. He doesn't believe what the others told him, he has to see for himself. He has to feel the nail holes.
Of course he does! Any sane person whose friends told him such an unbelievable story would demand proof. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that; he had every reason to demand it. And yet for thousands of years he has been condemned as "doubting Thomas". Millions of Christians are taught that it is out and out wrong of them to even want proof. Most of them see their not possessing any proof to be a positive thing. I have even had some try to show me how there not being any proof actually was their proof.
Logic that would make any side show con artist proud.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain…"
Read the old myths for yourself, He. I'm no more a blasphemer than little Toto was. Look behind the curtain—there is no wizard, just the common place everyday world. I know that will make you feel bad to find that, but "a heart will never be practical until it can be made unbreakable."
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He
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:12:17 [Permalink]
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@tomic;
>Who told me?No one had to tell me.There are people that figure it out themselves.
Yes,I can understand where you are coming from,I used to say and believe the same thing myself.I also thought that I had it all figured out;until God shewed up in my life.
>The secret of what I used to reveal to folks that the Bible is a fable.That's right I can use a fable,like you said.You got me on that one.
Wow!!The Truth;Can I say anything against the truth?@tomic,you got me on that one.
>Heh,all you need is the Bible to turn it into a fable because it's just a fable.
My guess is that you have never experienced anything supernaturally from God.I thought that maybe everyone have experienced something that we can't explain from God.My fault,forgive me for my assumption.Notwithstanding,I suppose if I told you about those things that God did to and for me in my life unto this day;You would also call my testimony a fable;Not just only you but some Christians also.
Why is it that all those fantastic things used to happen so regularly but nowadays we have to go to the movies to see special effects of the sort god used to toss around gleefully?
I time pass,I ask that same question unto Christians.They would answer and say,because God doesn't do those things anymore.Thats the only excuse I can remember at this time.Nevertheless,it's because of wickedness.God will only give all those fantastic things for his children to do them,and not to the children of darkness.Thats the reason why many religons and Churches are gone out into the world.By this we know that this book is from God.What other fable do you know has the power to do this?How else can you explain the many different interpretations taken out of one book,and with all the interpretations,unto this day the truth has been kept from the world.Read(2ndTimothy 3:1-7)Instead of figuring it out through God,the people are going about trying to figure it out for themselves.Thanks;He.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:13:24 [Permalink]
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In all seriousness, He is either pulling our collective legs, or he (He) is in need of professional help...
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He
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:15:35 [Permalink]
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JohnPaul Slater;
I'm sorry for taking so long to return to you an answer;But you've said some things about me and I can't tell how or where you got them from.
>He:you realize,of course,that you are not fooling anybody.We are wise to the little game you are playing...You stumble across this site.(I don't believe for one second that any god brought you here.What,did stone tablets appear with the URL written in flaming letters?)You see it as your chance to finally tell other people that you are better than they.You want to boast your ego at the expense of others,just as people have done to you.You don't join the discussion.You don't even try to use reason.All you do is boast and threaten people who are honestly seeking to arrive at the facts.Well,Spud,I for one don't give a rat if you feel good about yourself or not.
I don't understand how you came up with all that;If talking about me makes you feel better go ahead and talk about me.What can I say?You can't prove anything by making personal attacks at me!!
Yes I saw the Wizard of Oz.
>Well that is what St.Timothy is doing when he complains that people will make the Christ story into fables:He doesn't want you to see the obvious.The story of Jesus is not only similar to old"Pagan"fables-it is these very same fables.
If you can't believe the prophecy that were written concerning the things that you are now saying.What will you believe?You are turning the acts of the Lord into fables by what you are saying.The question is not what Timothy is saying;The question is what you and people like you are saying.By what you are saying is making that prophecy real and not a fable.Therefore I must say,that there must be a power coming in from somewhere causing you to fulfill this prophecy and making you and people like you do it.Because I know that you and people like you will not give proof that the Bible is of God on purpose.Don't you know the way to prove that a person is of God.When the things that he says comes to pass;likewise with scriptures. I suppose if you knew beforehand what you were doing you would not have done it.Yea, you would not have used the word "Fable".
The things that you said about Thomas are true;I agree.Notwithstanding what do you have to see and feel?
>Read the old myths for yourself.
I already have;when I was in the seventh grade.Been there,done it:
What is a blasphemer?Thanks;He.
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:16:54 [Permalink]
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Speaking as a a layman, the most telling indication that j. c. was made from whole cloth is the fact that both skeptic and xian scholars are unable to date his birth and death. Sure, one can be born in obscurity, and we are all familiar with the problems associated with reconciling the western calendar with the supposed birth of christ. Yet certainly the date of an event as monumental as his death and resurection would not have been lost to history had it really occured. Speaking now as a skeptic who is quite comfortable with the labels "cynic" and "atheist," I must say that I find it childish and pathetic the way that adults, even so-called skeptics, somehow have a deep psychological need to cling to such an absurd myth, this ludicrous fable of a sexually conflicted, thirty-something, male celibate who walked out of a grave and levitated to heaven.
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Slater
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Posted - 05/26/2001 : 22:19:04 [Permalink]
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Here's a tidbit that I found interesting.
Although we have no records of a "historic" Jesus we do have some on Theudas the Messiah.
In 44CE he gathered his followers on the banks of the River Jordan. And there commenced to perform the miracle of the parting of the waters. Unfortunately his prayers to Yahweh received the same response that those of Jesus had a decade before. (Thank you for praying to God. Your entreaties are important to us. Please hold on. Your prayers will be answered by the next available Seraphim {harp music}) The Roman procurator, Cuspius Fadus sent out a cavalry detachment that killed many of Theudas' followers, scattered the rest, and took Theudas into custody. After having a good laugh over the non-parting waters thing Cuspius had Theudas beheaded.
Don't let the pleated mini skirts and the shiny tin "muscle tees" fool you, those Roman guys were mean.
Whether you were some provincial yokel with delusions of grandeur or the Logos who called the countless millions of galaxies into being, if they got their hands on you, you were in big trouble.
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@tomic
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Posted - 07/23/2001 : 21:21:54 [Permalink]
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