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HalfMooner
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I'm waiting for verlch to chime in with a Web link claiming that no 500-lb. bombs were dropped on Zarqawi, but instead an Illuminati demolition firm had snuck into his "safehouse" in the hours before his death to set charges. After all, where are the bombs' black-boxes? And wasn't the supposed fighter-bomber pilot (who is a Mason and a Jew) actually seen in a Denver mall that very evening?
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Snake
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 23:29:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
If it weren't for Bush, al-Zarqawi wouldn't have become such a super-star in the first place.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 05:19:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Snakequote:
Originally posted by pleco
If it weren't for Bush, al-Zarqawi wouldn't have become such a super-star in the first place.
That's nonsense.
Not really.
Do you really belive al-Zarqawi would have been as famous if there had been no invasion of Iraq?
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pleco
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 05:30:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Snake
quote:
Originally posted by pleco
If it weren't for Bush, al-Zarqawi wouldn't have become such a super-star in the first place.
That's nonsense.
If Bush had not invaded Iraq, al-Zarqawi would not have become the leader of the terrrorist group there, and would not have had oppurtunity to kill hostages and commit other crimes.
Without Iraq, al-Zarqawi would have remained a two-bit thug Laden wannabe.
Now, back up your statement. |
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Robb
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:11:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
quote:
Originally posted by Snake
quote:
Originally posted by pleco
If it weren't for Bush, al-Zarqawi wouldn't have become such a super-star in the first place.
That's nonsense.
If Bush had not invaded Iraq, al-Zarqawi would not have become the leader of the terrrorist group there, and would not have had oppurtunity to kill hostages and commit other crimes.
Without Iraq, al-Zarqawi would have remained a two-bit thug Laden wannabe.
Now, back up your statement.
How can you possibly know that he would not have had the opportunity to kill innocent people and children? He was in Iraq before we went in. He was training terrorists in Afganistan before the war as well and probably got medical help from Uday before the war as well. http://husseinandterror.com/
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pleco
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 10:43:55 [Permalink]
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| I just said that he wouldn't have become the "super-star" he was. That's all. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 11:34:24 [Permalink]
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A little more: quote:
Transcript of General Caldwell's Baghdad briefing on the death of Zarqawi:
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QUESTION: General Caldwell, Barbara Starr from CNN.
Also, can you give us the definitive word now -- do you have any information that Zarqawi initially survived the air strike, that he was alive at any point in the hands of either Iraqi or U.S. forces? And can you tell us if one of the women was identified as one of Zarqawi's wives or someone related to him?
GENERAL CALDWELL: Barbara, what I can tell you is that, again, from the debriefs this morning, which gave us greater clarity than what we had before, is Zarqawi in fact did survive the airstrike. The report specifically states that nobody else did survive, though, from what they know.
The first people on the scene were the Iraqi police. They had found him and put him into some kind of gurney stretcher kind of thing, and then American -- coalition forces arrived immediately thereafter on site. They immediately went to the person in the stretcher, were able to start to identify him by some distinguishing marks on his body. They had some kind of visual facial recognition.
According to the person on the ground, Zarqawi attempted to sort of turn away off the stretcher. They -- everybody resecured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he had received from the airstrike. As far as anybody else, again, the report says nobody else survived.
Al-Zarqawi was a creature of our own creation in that he was the ultimate, and predictable, product of decades, nay: centuries, of Western, Mid-East policy which included the Crusades and ruthless colonialism. As was the Ayatollah Khomeini. As is al-Quada. It ain't pretty and nobody has to like it, but there it is.
Like Khomeini, his death will change little in the 'war,' indeed, quite the contrary. He is now a martyr to his cause and his name will rally recruits from far and wide. It is a pity that he didn't survive so that the Iraqis could try him for his deeds, then give him a thug's execution. I think that politically it might have made some, small difference.
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Snake
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 12:43:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
Not really.
Do you really belive al-Zarqawi would have been as famous if there had been no invasion of Iraq?
I didn't know he was SO famous. A terrorist is a terrorist but he was working his way up to bigger stuff from his beginnings. So one can only assume... |
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Snake
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 12:46:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
How can you possibly know that he would not have had the opportunity to kill innocent people and children? He was in Iraq before we went in. He was training terrorists in Afganistan before the war as well and probably got medical help from Uday before the war as well. http://husseinandterror.com/
He was a terrorist before the war, it did not make him a terrorist.
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Yes, thank you Robb. |
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Snake
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 12:49:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
I just said that he wouldn't have become the "super-star" he was. That's all.
If that's ALL you meant ..... well, sigh! The statement speaks for itself.
Whatever! |
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pleco
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 13:05:00 [Permalink]
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My original statement:
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If it weren't for Bush, al-Zarqawi wouldn't have become such a super-star in the first place.
Yes, he was famous, and yes if he didn't work in Iraq he would have killed but not have been as famous. My statement stands.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 13:27:27 [Permalink]
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And more yet: quote:
It was the end of a strange but murderous career. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a little-known Jordanian petty criminal turned Islamic fundamentalist fanatic until he was denounced by the US in 2003 as an insurgent leader of great importance.
This enabled him to recruit men and raise money to wage a cruel war, mostly against Iraqi civilians. In a macabre innovation, he staged beheadings of Western hostages such as Ken Bigley which were then uploaded to the internet to ensure maximum publicity.
His death in an air strike by American F-16s while in a house north of Baghdad with seven associates, is important in Iraq because he was the most openly sectarian of the Sunni resistance leaders, butchering Shias as heretics as worthy of death as any foreign invader.
His chosen instrument was the suicide bomber usually recruited from outside the country. Their targets were almost invariably young Shia men desperate for work, queuing for jobs as policemen or soldiers. Few of the 20,000 US soldiers killed and wounded in Iraq in the past three years have died at the hands of Zarqawi's men, according to the US military.
George Bush and Tony Blair welcomed news of the death of the leader of al-Qa'ida in Iraq yesterday. But, paradoxically, among those most pleased by his elimination may be the other insurgent leaders. "He was an embarrassment to the resistance itself," said Ghassan al-Attiyah, an Iraqi commentator. "They never liked him taking all the limelight and the Americans exaggerated his role."
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Starman
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 23:21:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Snakequote:
Originally posted by pleco
I just said that he wouldn't have become the "super-star" he was. That's all.
If that's ALL you meant ..... well, sigh! The statement speaks for itself.
Whatever!
Why reply to a post that you did not even read properly?quote:
Originally posted by Robb
How can you possibly know that he would not have had the opportunity to kill innocent people and children? He was in Iraq before we went in. He was training terrorists in Afganistan before the war as well and probably got medical help from Uday before the war as well. http://husseinandterror.com/
According to the CIA , this claim lacks evidence.link, link & link.quote:
He was a terrorist before the war, it did not make him a terrorist.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 00:14:44 [Permalink]
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This guy was a fraud, always was.
The US billed him as the alqaida leader in Iraq, which is false. He may have been a member of that organization, but he was doing his own thing. He disobeyed the alqaida orders to not incite infighting between Sunni and Shia muslims.
The Bush admin built him up as this super-duper bad guy, and are all out there making like it is a great thing to kill a guy with a 500lb bomb... and call it justice. Sickening is to kind a word. If anything, it is an abortion of every standard of justice we here in the US hold to.
This way of thinking, that there is the USA, and then there is everyone else, and the double standard of treatment, is the entire reason for our current conflicts with mid-eastern countries and people.
Criminals are arrested and tried here, but in Iraq and Pakistan when we find out where they are (or even THINK we might know where they are)... a hellfire missile or a 500lb FAE are what we use.
And then our president has the sack to call it justice? I pretty much despise that little useless fucker. May he get an anal wart the size of a lemon that migrates up his digestive tract until it chokes him.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 03:17:41 [Permalink]
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If I might be permitted a bit of quote-mining... quote:
And then our president has the sack to call it justice? I pretty much despise that little useless fucker. May he get an anal wart the size of a lemon that migrates up his digestive tract until it chokes him.
Well said; well said!
Bush must ever have an adversary and if such is not ready to hand, he will create one. Had it not been for his illegitimate invasion of a sovereign nation of no threat to us, Al-Zarqawi would still be little more than another vicious, fundamentalist asshole of the sort we would see even here if they were given like opportunity.
May he have time to fully savor that wart before it clogs up his windpipe like a dead rat in the public pissior drain.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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