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R.Wreck
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 Posted - 07/10/2006 : 15:57:28 [Permalink]
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That does it! I'm returning my CleanFlicks version of Deep Throat. I wondered why it was only 4 minutes long.  |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 16:07:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
That does it! I'm returning my CleanFlicks version of Deep Throat. I wondered why it was only 4 minutes long.
This reminds me of the hilarious "The Sopranos" episode on Mad TV, which is supposed to be an edited version for Pax, a Christian network. The hour episode runs less than three minutes, once the sex, violence, and foul language are clipped out.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 16:18:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
This reminds me of the hilarious "The Sopranos" episode on Mad TV, which is supposed to be an edited version for Pax, a Christian network. The hour episode runs less than three minutes, once the sex, violence, and foul language are clipped out.
Ah, that was good. I like the dinner scene when there are about 3 edited lines and then you just see the door slamming as Meadow leaves. Funny stuff, Halfmooner. Thanks.
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pleco
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USA
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Ricky
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 16:43:29 [Permalink]
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| I am looking for a good reason to use the phrase "Mother father chinese dentist" in my everyday life... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 20:08:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Ok, so I am now aware that I was assuming before that by taking out the sex scenes, it meant like cable T.V. does. Eliminates the good nudity parts and pretty much leaves the rest in.
Actually, the real point to the whole lawsuit is that copyright gives the studios control over who does what to their films. When you see an "edited for content" film on basic cable, it was done by the people who made the film, and not - as in the case of the people who got sued - some third party. |
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marfknox
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USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 22:33:57 [Permalink]
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Ricky wrote: quote:
But you aren't objecting to part of the message or changing someones work (meaning the overall theme). You just object to how that work and message is presented.
Ok, so I am now aware that I was assuming before that by taking out the sex scenes, it meant like cable T.V. does. Eliminates the good nudity parts and pretty much leaves the rest in.
Other people here have already made the point that you can't just separate meaning and presentation in a work of art. But in objecting to the removal of the whole sex scene but not the removal of the nudity shots, you are trying to do just that. Now I'll grant that most of the time Hollywood movies use nudity purely gratuitously to get people into the theatres. But as someone else here said, it is the principle of the thing. I mean, whose standards do we use to decide what nudity or swearing or whatever is used for an artful purpose, and what is just used gratuitously? How can you possibly say in the abstract that it is OK to remove nudity shots, but not the whole sex scene? And hell, what constitutes nudity? In some states women can walk around topless in public, so are exposed nipples really nudity, or only genitals? And maybe part of the point is that nudity is wonderful for its own sake and people who don't like it are prudes. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 04:59:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Removing anything would change it ever so slightly or majorly depending if the scene or word was integral to the plot.
Ok, so I am now aware that I was assuming before that by taking out the sex scenes, it meant like cable T.V. does. Eliminates the good nudity parts and pretty much leaves the rest in.
If that isn't the case, you have a valid point.
The TV stations must gain permission to do that from the film's artists before they do. Even if it is to comply with FCC regulations. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 05:08:51 [Permalink]
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| Ive decided to start editing movies for myself, leaving only the female nudity parts, beheadings and the 7 words. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 22:20:11 [Permalink]
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| I wouldn't want someone changing something I made then redistributing their version. It may not be an actual big deal but it would feel like an emotional big deal. I'm sure actors and producers have a sense of creative ownership with most movies. |
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 18:59:13 [Permalink]
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Whether or not they bought one copy of the real thing for every bowdlerized copy they sold isn't relevant to whether they were violating the original author's copyright.
Copyright isn't about the right to make money, it's about exactly what it sounds like, the right to make copies. What they were doing is called making a "derivative work", which if done without permission is itself a violation of copyright.
IANAL, but this is a concept so basic that anyone who works in the music industry can't help but find out about it.
They might well have been able to avoid getting into trouble if they had had the sense to take legal advice from someone versed in copyright law, and to follow that advice. I suppose that they were too righteous to worry about doing things right.
While their purpose really isn't relevant to their legal troubles, it is pleasant to see a gaggle of prissypants Jeebo-loons bouncing off the law like a pigeon off a windshield.  |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 05:10:40 [Permalink]
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| What about the poor girl whos only appearance in the movie is abreast double, what about her feelings?!!?! |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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