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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 07/16/2006 : 19:07:44
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Iran; Israel; Lebanon; Iraq; Syria; Gaza; the Turks and the Kurds, now maybe; North Korea; South Korea; and Mexico!
When one radical moves his forces into a volatile area (under false pretenses), what happens? Two other places in that region democratically elect leaders who are also radicals. That's what happened in Gaza and Iran.
Unfortunately, we know who the radical is that came in before the two other radicals were voted in.
Lesson: Democracy is a bit like shit: when you try to spread it, it makes a big stink. To many who are watching you spread it, you're just building an empire.
It grows from the roots up. Anybody with any common sense knows that.
yo, oy
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2006 : 21:24:21 [Permalink]
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I think your shit metaphor isn't so poignant or clever, but I get your point about democracy needing to grow from the roots up and agree.
But the US government isn't and has never really been trying to spread democracy. It is and has always been acting in favor of what its leaders have seen as the best national interests. Unfortunately, most of the Presidential administrations over the past few decades have favored increasing the wealth of American companies and American control and influence over developing nations to the detriment of the welfare of those countries' poor. With the exception of Carter - he was one of the few who actually believed world peace was achievable and took steps toward achieving it. But even other Dems essentially bailed on him after the failed hostage rescue attempt. It often amazes me that someone with that attitudes ever got elected. It gives me hope for the future of the American presidency. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/16/2006 : 22:26:33 [Permalink]
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Hi Marfknox.
I didn't say the U-S had been trying to spread democracy over the past few decades. I am saying that G. War Bush has been saying (since he invaded Iraq) HE is trying to spread democracy. Thinking it through: spreading democracy doesn't happen---one of its differences FROM shit---as a direct object with the help of a subject and a verb.
George (subject) spreads (verb) democracy (direct object).
Initial democracy is more a by-product of oppressed people successfully gaining their freedom. Keeping democracy after winning it is even more difficult, it seems. Right now, doing that is this country's biggest challenge; on par with global warming. And G. War talks about eating pork at a news conference that has as a primary topic a war between two nations that don't believe in eating pig flesh. Such public insensitivity is unacceptable among rational people.
Looking at your web site, I'd guess we have more than less in common with one 'nuther.
Although I agree with you regarding King and Ghandi, it's clear that such persons choose a perilous path. Remember, the last Israeli prime minister who really tried to give peace a chance in that bleeding region was murdered by one of his own: a rightwing Jew; a religious freak, much like the religious freaks who killed all those Americans in NYC on 9/11.
What George does REALLY well is spread SHIT for about 23% of our fellow citizens. It may be that he can't tell the difference between shit and democracy. But we can.
yo, oy.
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan
The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
--me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus
"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
--Oscar Wilde |
| Edited by - Orwellingly Yurz on 07/16/2006 22:28:21 |
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