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Orwellingly Yurz
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 Posted - 07/19/2006 : 18:39:29
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YO:
Question #1: Eight days in, you'd think someone would be reporting on polls taken of Americans regarding the new war going on between Israel and Lebanon. How come?
Question #2: If government funding of research into cures via stem cells is morally wrong, what makes it morally RIGHT that private business is doing it; will do it more; and will make the cures available only for those who can afford it? (George, you're spreading more bull feces.)
OY!
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
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Ricky
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 23:52:23 [Permalink]
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What do you want to bet some of then own stock in companies doing stem cell research?
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 10:11:43 [Permalink]
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I think stem cell research shouldnt be done for entirely different reasons than GWB, go figer.
Note: the lack of the words 'Right and Wrong' |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:12:58 [Permalink]
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| And those reasons would be? |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:31:59 [Permalink]
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Bring in the Scoops!
We have about 80% too many humans on this planet and we are desperate to make sure none of them die before the age of 100. God forbid that a nation could have a negative population growth as this would stunt the Almighty Economic Growth %!
I guess im a Logans Run fan.
Edit: the AEG% will destroy everything in its path. Protected wetlands? Pfft! We'll see about that. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 11:47:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
God forbid that a nation could have a negative population growth...
Except for Germany, of course. And maybe Russia. |
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Ricky
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 12:18:30 [Permalink]
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| Good luck with that! |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 07/21/2006 : 18:34:52 [Permalink]
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I'm for more abortions and prolonging the lives of people here, namely me.  |
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Siberia
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Posted - 07/22/2006 : 07:58:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
I'm for more abortions and prolonging the lives of people here, namely me.
I second that motion! |
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marfknox
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Posted - 07/22/2006 : 11:35:44 [Permalink]
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OY! wrote: quote:
If government funding of research into cures via stem cells is morally wrong, what makes it morally RIGHT that private business is doing it; will do it more; and will make the cures available only for those who can afford it?
I don't think you are pointing out anything hypocritical at all. Morality isn't absolute - it is defined by groups of people. In our society there are many things that we consider morally wrong if the government does it, but morally tolerable if private citizens do it (such as conducting religous instruction to children.) There are also things that the government is allowed to do, but that private citizens are not (military interventions in foreign lands, policing locally). With his veto, Bush is making it so that the tax dollars of all Americans won't be directly used for stem cell research using embryos. I don't agree with his decision, but it is not hypocritical as you are implying.
Ricky wrote: quote:
Because banning private business from doing things is much harder than eliminating government funding, and, well, they're working on it.
I have yet to hear of any notable faction within the conservative movement in America going after fertility clinics, and that is where all these embryos are coming from. Fertility clinics produce an obscene number of fertilized eggs that will never be allowed to develop into people. Many of the people using the services of fertility clinics are in fact born-again Christians who oppose legal abortion. There is a serious double-think going on that was beautifully pointed out on a recent Daily Show: John Stewart showed footage of Bush with the "snowflake children" (children who came from fertilized eggs that were then adopted) praising that fact that if these children weren't adopted, they'd never have the chance to grow up. Stewart then pointed out that the snowflake children wouldn't even have existed in the first place were it not for the fertility clinics that had them conceived. Stewart then said "Don't think about it too hard." Indeed!
beskeptical wrote: quote:
I'm for more abortions and prolonging the lives of people here, namely me.
I'm definately not for more abortions. It is a medical procedure which costs money and comes with health risks (granted, not nearly as bad as going through with a pregnancy!) But perhaps a greater problem with abortion is that not all women are psychologically fit to have one. Some women have an abortion and never think twice. For others it is a painful decision that is often made because of poverty. So I'm for keeping abortion legal and making itavailable to all women, but I'm also for rigorously reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies through continued technological developments in preventative birth control, and more importantly, better education and availability of reliable birth control. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/22/2006 : 14:27:52 [Permalink]
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Marfknox: To prove your point that morality isn't absolute: the Telecommunications Act of 1967 established the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It allowed government to invest in noncommercial tv and radio. Much of the reasoning was that commercial broadcasting was not meeting the needs of some of the people. It came to pass that private business and the government were both involved with domestic broadcasting to the citizenry.
Governments handle wars; private citizens or businesses (unless they're Halliburton) don't or shouldn't. Government is not supposed to handle or obstruct religious activity. Religion is not supposed to foist it's sense of morality (non-absolute)upon a liberal democratic government (diversity being the essence of a liberal democracy).
But,,, and there's the but,,,there are some things that each can do to benefit society. If LBJ, another Texas president (of which there've been way too many) hadn't signed that Telecommunications Act, there would be no public radio or public television. You don't think commmercial broadcasters would've supported such an endeavor, do you?
Another thing, besides public broadcasting, that advances us would be well-funded stem cell research. In my non-absolute morality that seems very, very good, especially if the paramount reason for doing that research isn't so much dependent on a drug company profit mentality.
Again, G. War Bush can't see the forest for all the trees that are growing up in his field of "vision."
But you've got a good head on your shoulders, gal.
OY!
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan
The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
--me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus
"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
--Oscar Wilde |
| Edited by - Orwellingly Yurz on 07/22/2006 14:32:43 |
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