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marfknox
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 Posted - 07/27/2006 : 23:56:46
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http://www.usatoday.com/life/2006-07-26-camp_x.htm
The article profiles Camp Quest West (one of a small chain of camps for atheists, agnostics, Humanists, freethinkers, etc.) and another camp for sort of feminist-seekers called the Little Priestess Camp. Article also includes a nice little slide show with audio that is only about Camp Quest West.
I personally found this activity intriguing:
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But instead of traditional end-of-camp competitions, Quest West featured a skit showdown with teams asked to come up with "their own religion — that everyone can believe in and that will be good for all for all time," Lindstrom says.
I'm thinking there's some fans of Unitarianism amongst the leadership of Camp Quest West. Go UU Humanists!
Edited for clarity.
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Edited by - marfknox on 07/28/2006 00:01:41
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 05:02:06 [Permalink]
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| UU makes me wanna gag, but not nearly as much as the rest of em, so GO UU! |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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marfknox
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 12:01:59 [Permalink]
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Yeah, that whole idea that religion should be uniting by focussing on peoples' similarities rather than their differences, and that people should be encouraged as individuals to come to their own conclusions about their worldview instead of following some authority or formula - that makes me wanna gag too.  |
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| Edited by - marfknox on 07/28/2006 12:02:12 |
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Ricky
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Gorgo
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 12:21:02 [Permalink]
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| It's not pointless. L. Ron did it, and he lived like a king aboard a yacht for years. I think it's a great idea. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 14:36:13 [Permalink]
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Ricky said: quote:
...coming up with your own religion seems pretty pointless to me.
It might be pointless for someone like you. Maybe you aren't the sort of person who would benefit from the aspects of religion that go beyond beliefs. I personally benefit from them a great deal, as do all the other atheists who participate in religious Humanism, UU Fellowships, Ethical Culture, Quakerism, and other religions that are accepting of non-theistic adherents. To each his own.
I get frustrated with people who criticize nontheistic religious participation as being somehow weak or dishonest or whatever, and that just because they don't find any use for it, it must be unable to encourage better character in anyone. Like Janine Garafalo saying religion was a "crutch" that some people need, but she didn't. Not that you are saying that, but a lot of people do. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 17:13:36 [Permalink]
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| It is not a crutch that some people need. No one "needs" it. |
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Ricky
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 19:47:45 [Permalink]
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I actually find the whole Send-your-kids-somewhere-for-several-weeks-for-some-indoctrination bizarre, whatever the underlying theme, be it religious, secular, scientific or otherwise.
In Australia we have four (it used to be three) school terms, with 2-3 week breaks between terms, and about 6 weeks or so over the Dec/Jan period. I'm not sure I'd be keen to have my kids away for such a contiguous block, even if the camp was themed entirely on subjects I agreed with. My sister has actually worked in camps in the USA so I have a little real information, although I admit my perceptions are probably largely based on what I see in films and on television, not always the most reliable sources of information. 
On an entirely un-related note:
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Originally posted by marfknox
I get frustrated with people who criticize nontheistic religious participation as being somehow weak or dishonest or whatever, and that just because they don't find any use for it, it must be unable to encourage better character in anyone. Like Janine Garafalo saying religion was a "crutch" that some people need, but she didn't.
With the emphasis on "some", I'd have to say I agree with the premise that for many religion is a crutch, although it probably doesn't start out as one. If she's implying that all religious people are so for this reason, then she's obviously not thinking about it hard enough. Of course, not thinking about it hard enough is the real reason most people are relgious, in my opinion. Religion is mostly inherited, if not from one's parents then from the population/society in which they grow up. I don't think this is an earth-shaking revelation.
I get frustrated with people who take anything actors might mutter as being of more relevance than than anyone else. BTW, I'm not implying that you would do so marf. I assume anything most actors say outside the scope of pushing their latest work as being advertising of a more malignant form. Anything else is a bonus. |
John's just this guy, you know. |
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 20:20:07 [Permalink]
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| Hey, for working single Moms, summer science camp gives your kid something to do during the day besides hang out at day care. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 20:40:09 [Permalink]
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Ricky wrote: quote:
Glad you included that last line, as that was exactly what I thought you thought I was saying.
Yeah... I need to get off my soapbox. I'm even starting to annoy myself.
John wrote: quote:
I actually find the whole Send-your-kids-somewhere-for-several-weeks-for-some-indoctrination bizarre, whatever the underlying theme, be it religious, secular, scientific or otherwise.
Just because it is a camp focussed on a particular lifestance doesn't mean it indoctrinates. I was a counselor at Camp Quest Classic for 2 years, and I guarantee they make sure to not indoctrinate kids with atheism. The whole idea is to first, get kids to think critically and independently about any subject, including religion, and second, if they are from an atheistic family get them to realize that's OK. We had some campers from the south who had actually lost friends when their friends' parents found out they were atheists. But we also had a boy whose parents were Catholic and who was raised Catholic (his grandpa was Humanist which was why he was there) and the other kids got along with him great. In fact, it was more like a cool cultural exchange because he was curious about Humanism and all the Humanist kids were curious about Christianity. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 22:17:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
I can't say much about the UU as I don't know much about them...
Don't tick off the Unitarians, Ricky. They'll come and burn a giant question mark on your lawn.
, Marf. |
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