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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 08/18/2006 : 07:52:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Original_Intent
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It also is much harder on the engines of these machines, causing a large decrease of mileage, aprox. 80,000 if memory serves me.
Can you please dig up a citation for this?
This is the best I came up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85
I read most of it and skimmed the rest, but I couldn't find anything about the decreased life span of the car engine. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 08:29:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
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Originally posted by Siberia
Well, Brazil used to make quite a lot of money from sugar production. It was one of the three largest economic phases we had - extraction of wood, production of sugarcane and then, production of coffee....the new flex cars brought it up again.
Thanks for the info! 
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LizW
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 08:47:33 [Permalink]
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Hey guys,
I may be missing something, but couldn't the corn be diverted from livestock feed. Wouldn't people trade burgers for buicks. If I'm not mistaken dent corn (feed corn) is already the main corn crop here in the US. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 18:28:55 [Permalink]
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I may be missing something, but couldn't the corn be diverted from livestock feed. Wouldn't people trade burgers for buicks. If I'm not mistaken dent corn (feed corn) is already the main corn crop here in the US.
The whole concept of people going hungry because of ethanol production is bunk.
The US has a massive agricultural surplus, and the capacity to grow alot more than we do now.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/21/2006 : 18:58:54 [Permalink]
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| Really, Dude? Including fresh water and enough space and fertile soil? Isn't it the same as any resource that gets used up, eventually, it gets used up? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2006 : 23:17:20 [Permalink]
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Really, Dude? Including fresh water and enough space and fertile soil? Isn't it the same as any resource that gets used up, eventually, it gets used up?
Crops are a renewable resource. Yes, there are limitations based on space and water and soil viability.
But that isn't the point.
We have an argicultural surplus,and a huge ammount argiculture exports:
http://www.usda.gov/oce/forum/2006%20Speeches/PDF%20speech%20docs/Collins-Speech.pdf
We also have federal programs that pay farmers not top grow crops. Some of my family in rural Illinios participates in one of these programs. They get paid to not grow stuff.
US farmland, if used to capacity, could produce alot more than it currently does.
Also, if the ethanol technology matures, we will be able to grow plants that do not deplete the soil (stuff like alfalfa that binds alot of nitrogen out of the air into their roots) in rotation with the plants used for ethanol production (like Switchgrass that you hear W talking about), multiple times per growing season.
We have the technology to manage and sustain our farmland. We can produce more than we do.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2006 : 20:56:18 [Permalink]
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2006 : 22:30:53 [Permalink]
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I be skeptical.
Look at it this way. If the technology advances (and it probably will) then we'll be able to turn anything containing cellulose into ethanol.
There are plants that grow quite well in soil and conditions that you can't make foodcrops grow in. There are invasive species (like Kudzu) that outgrow all the native plants (no need for pesticides or irrigation), and so on.
The chance of ethanol production actually taking food from anyones mouth is probably very low, and depending on some advancements in technology, we will likely be able to utilize other plant sources for ethanol production anyway.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2006 : 15:13:34 [Permalink]
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14831968/
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Honda and RITE said they had overcome a major obstacle that limited how much ethanol could be made from cellulosic biomass. A microorganism developed by RITE helps reduce interference in the fermentation process, allowing for far more efficient ethanol production, the partners said.
“This achievement solves the last remaining fundamental hurdle to ethanol production from soft biomass,” RITE researcher Hideaki Yukawa told a news conference in Tokyo.
So much for that ethanol vs food argument.
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