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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/23/2006 : 01:02:52 [Permalink]
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Well, it's official, your 15 minutes of fame includes a mandatory Wiki entry. That Wiki crowd is darn fast. Must be a fun group.
Seems the news media has made a conscious decision it's more profitable to interview the suddenly famous attorneys for Karr and the supposed handwriting expert who claims the ransom note is a 99% match to some drivel in a high school year book Karr signed. (That year book owner ought to get the thing up on E-bay before the fame fades, it might fetch a pretty penny right now.) The two attorneys were having a great time being interviewed and one of the newscasters practically drooled over the handwriting guy's claim of guilt.
These people must certainly know what the paper reporters are writing. Yet do you see any of Karr's relatives being interviewed or any experts on false confessors? Guess to stretch this crap out you line them up for next week.
And I suspect the Boulder police are a bit embarrassed and having a very hard time coming out for that press conference to admit this guy wasn't anywhere near Colorado when this murder occurred. I suppose they have to make it look like they thoroughly ruled the guy out but the money spent on three Homeland Security marshals and Bus. class airfare for the 4 of them was a reasonable expenditure given the possibility this was the guy. I wonder if Boulder citizens, Colorado citizens, or all of us paid the taxes for that blunder? Wonder how many pedophiles in Bangkok we could have stopped for that price and what a shame no one cares about those little girls.
Here's the news we should be seeing instead of the attorneys and the writing expert who probably was the only one who claimed to have a match which is how his opinion came to be news worthy.
From a link on the Wiki page:quote:
The father and brothers of John Mark Karr, the man arrested on suspicion of killing JonBenet Ramsey in Colorado the day after Christmas a decade ago, do not recall him ever missing Christmas dinner in Atlanta or traveling to Colorado after the holiday, a lawyer for the family said Monday.
Gary Harris said that the suspect's father, Wexford Karr, found a photograph indicating that his son was part of the family's 1996 Christmas gathering, the day before the child beauty queen was found strangled in her home in Boulder.
The Christmas Day photograph does not include John Karr but shows his three sons, who, Harris said, never attended the holiday dinner without their parents. Although the photo is undated, the lawyer said the family is certain it was taken in 1996, because an infant pictured in it, Karr's nephew, was 2 weeks old that Christmas.
The account of Karr's father and two brothers deepens the uncertainty of whether the 41-year-old teacher was responsible for the killing. Last week, Karr told reporters after his arrest in Thailand that he had been with the 6-year-old when she died.
A former wife of Karr who was married to him in 1996 also has said she remembers his being with her and his family during Christmas that year. An attorney for Lara Knutson, who lives in Northern California and was married to Karr for a dozen years until 2001, said she has "a great deal of contempt" for her ex-husband but wants to give investigators accurate information. Harris, the attorney for Karr's father and brothers, said they have had little contact with her since the divorce, though they remain in touch with her teenage sons by phone.
In an interview, Harris, of Clayton, Ga., said Boulder County investigators were in Georgia on Monday and had interviewed Karr's father, 85, and half brother, Nathaniel Karr, 34, on Sunday night. "I don't think they have the right guy," Harris said, based on his conversations with the family....
...Harris said that none of Karr's relatives remembers him ever missing Christmas celebrations before he disappeared five years ago. Moreover, he said, they do not think Karr has ever been in Boulder or ever took a trip right after Christmas.
"These people are not well-off financially," he said, adding that it would have been "a big deal" for him to take a trip by plane. Harris said the family is "frantically looking for" other photographs from their 1996 Christmas gathering.
Deepens the uncertainty? That's an understatement. I'd say it pretty much gives the story. I don't know about frantically looking for more photos. I'd bet there are millions of pieces of evidence like his work attendance record, credit card or checks written, anyplace he left a signature and a date in Alabama or Georgia that Christmas. He was married for 12 years and had 3 sons who must also know if Dad was missing any Christmas before the 2001 restraining order.
Not only is this a stupid news story, it isn't even real news. |
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pleco
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Posted - 08/23/2006 : 05:46:16 [Permalink]
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| I am waiting on the DNA tests myself. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/23/2006 : 18:32:54 [Permalink]
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| Which is another bit of info one has to wonder why it isn't completed yet. I have no doubt the DNA won't match but my guess is the Boulder police won't drop the case on that basis alone. However, the news article did say the police had been out to Alabama and/or Georgia to interview the family. It can't be that hard to prove this guy wasn't near Colorado. I can imagine the prosecutor getting deeper into this charge all the while dreading having to face the fact it was extremely easy to rule this guy out if they hadn't been such fools about it. |
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Cookie Parker
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Posted - 08/24/2006 : 15:37:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Frankly, I am stunned at hearing this. Leaving aside for the moment the rather sick media obsession (rabidly eaten up by the public?) with this, it always seemed to me that her parents had something to do with it.
Now, ten years later, some freaky-looking guys is saying that "I was with JonBenet when she died . . . I loved JonBenet, and she died accidentally." I don't recall anymore the specifics of the case, but there was no forced entry. There seemed to have been other strange issues, too. How does this strange guy suddenly show up? I'll be curious to have this straightened out!
I think the tragedy is that mom died from cancer before this came about. I think I heard he was a babysitter or something.
I think it's weird it came up and swarmed the media's attention when the whole Israel/Lebanon thing was getting good....I never discount the power of the president and press when working together to distract the little guy and pull something off.....his daddy was a master at that... |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/25/2006 : 13:11:29 [Permalink]
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Hi Cookie, welcome to SFN.
You might want to look for better information sources. This guy was not "the babysitter or something". And so far there is no evidence he was even in Colorado at the time of the murder, nor anything linking him to the crime other than a confession which so far is better explained as someone mentally ill with a fantasy obsession than someone who actually killed this child. |
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Original_Intent
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/25/2006 : 19:22:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by Dude
If you are getting questioned by the police, and you start to feel as if they are counting you as a suspect, then you shut up and lawyer up. You do this if you are guilty, and you do it if you are innocent. The large majority of murders are committed by people who know the victim, including immediate family. Most people know that, so it only make sense to lawyer up and shut up when the questions start making you feel like the cops think you did it....
Not everyone worries when the police look at them as suspects in their own child's disappearance. You might want to look at what John Walsh had to say about being a suspect. He said you tell the cops to do everything they need to to rule out yourself (and spouse or whoever) so they can get on with looking elsewhere. Actually, that's what most parents not involved in a disappearance do. There would be a few innocent people who would be suspicious enough of the police to shut up as you say, but I doubt it is the norm.
I think it would depend on where you were, and what your experiences with the investigators were. If I was still where I grew up, or in the nearest major city to me, I would be most careful and suspicious of the police. Where I live now, I wouldn't worry about it. Too many unethical, corrupt police out there.. It gives too manyy a bad name by association.
It is sad that "lawyering-up" is looked upon as a sign of guilt by so many, especially when they are the cause of it.
I do wonder what the norm is, and how far it swings based on where you live... How could they even begin to study it......
Peace,
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2006 : 16:55:54 [Permalink]
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I don't want to give the impression I trust the justice system in the US. I most certainly don't. The rich get off on obvious incriminating murder evidence and the poor go to jail for life or worse based on as little as a single coerced eye witness claim while exculpatory evidence is suppressed. But that doesn't mean that every parent who has lost a child needs to hire a lawyer and refuse most requests for interviews.
As a parent, and I believe what John Walsh was also reflecting, if my child was lost or even already dead, I wouldn't care how much the police suspected me, finding my child or a killer who might kill another child would override any fears I had the police were going to use an interview to trap me or generate false evidence.
People look suspicious for a number of reasons and being innocent is no guarantee your actions won't arouse suspicions. I still think the vast majority of innocent parents while they might resent the police accusations, would still be doing everything possible to find their child or the suspect, not hiring lawyers and refusing police requests.
Keep in mind also that hiring the lawyer was hardly all the suspicious behavior the Ramseys had. By far the most incriminating evidence was John Ramsey deciding to 'search' the house when the police failed to do so. Finding his daughter supposedly without knowing already where she was, while certainly could have been a coincidence, was so much more likely not a coincidence. Add to that their behavior and lack of emotion matching their TV interviews (see the piece on detecting lying I posted before), the fact they went on talk shows to proclaim their innocence, and all the other evidence like the note and the killer not taking the child elsewhere to kill her because what kidnapper would have stayed in the house (and how much noise would you make cracking someone's skull in?) and you get at least reasonable suspicion one of the parents did it and the other covered.
The police bungled the investigation, but they certainly had grounds to believe the parents were the number one suspects. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 08/28/2006 : 13:26:46 [Permalink]
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Via CNN: Report: Karr's DNA doesn't match; No charges to be filed
Oops. Back to the usual suspects, I guess... |
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 08/28/2006 : 13:30:22 [Permalink]
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I guess Karr just wanted a free flight back to the US?
He still faces charges on child porn in Californ-i-ay. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/29/2006 : 08:01:29 [Permalink]
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I heard that Colorado's Governor said that the Karr "affair" is the most-extravagant DNA test in history.
And apparently Karr was a free man for a few seconds before being re-arrested for extradition to California. Never even made it out of the building. |
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