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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/17/2006 : 12:05:47
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Judge orders halt to NSA wiretap program.
The ruling wording isn't in the news article, but I heard a bit of it read by Thom Hartmann on Air America and there is wording to the effect no one inherits the position of king. Quite a scathing ruling from the sound of it.
I can't find the show transcript or the ruling yet but one or the other should be available soon.
Too bad the news media has the excuse to run this truly important story less prominently and put the arrest of a mentally ill man for the false confession of murdering JonBenet as a bigger headline.
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Edited by - beskeptigal on 08/17/2006 12:12:34
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 12:20:22 [Permalink]
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| Great news of course, though he does have his moments. Today he signed the pension reform bill which will force employers to actually have the money they are promising. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Valiant Dancer
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Valiant Dancer
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 14:16:29 [Permalink]
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Great quote from the ruling:
quote:
We must first note that the Office of the Chief Executive has itself been created, with its
powers, by the Constitution. There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created
by the Constitution. So all “inherent powers” must derive from that Constitution.
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tomk80
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 14:19:01 [Permalink]
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And another great quote, that they themselves quoted from an earlier ruling (US vs Robel)
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Implicit in the term ‘national defense' is the notion of defending
those values and ideas which set this Nation apart. . . . It would
indeed be ironic if, in the name of national defense, we would
sanction the subversion of . . . those liberties . . . which makes the
defense of the Nation worthwhile. Id. at 264.
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 14:52:49 [Permalink]
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Your topic title was quite literally correct, Beskeptigal.
Hand-typed from the PDF file V_D has linked to above:quote:
We must first note that the Office of the Chief Executive has itself been created, with its powers, by the Constitution. There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all "inherent powers" must derive from that Constitution.
And the Conclusion:quote:
For all the reasons outlined above, this court is constrained to grant to the Plaintiffs the Partial Summary Judgement requested, and holds that the TSP violates the IPA; the Separation of Powers doctrine; the First and Fourth Amendments of the United States Constitution; and the statutory law.
The Defendants' Motion to Dismiss the final claim of data mining is granted, because litigation of that claim would require violation of the Defendants' state secrets privilege.
The Bush bunch is now handing out talking points to its allies to say that no conclusions should be drawn from the ruling, since the Administration plans to appeal. In the meantime, they are not ending the illegal actions. But the fact is, until such time as a successful appeal is completed, the judge's ruling has the force of law and legal correctness.
As of now, President Bush is in the official legal position of having grievously and repeatedly violated the law and the Constitution, and of continuing to do so to this very moment.
That's more than sufficient to not only justify impeachment, but to require it.
[Edided four speling.]
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 20:35:18 [Permalink]
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Thankyou thankyou, Valiant D. And thanks for finding the actual quote, tomk80. I knew someone would find it for me.  |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/17/2006 : 20:45:29 [Permalink]
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Re the talking points, they are slithering again. First it is a claim the current wire tapping and data mining activities resulted in the latest arrests in England.....then they reword it to, "like", that arrest, rather than that actual arrest.
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 10:43:06 [Permalink]
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YO: I, as well, heard Thom Hartmann getting pretty excited about this ruling yesterday. It's nice to know there is a legal someone who's stepping up to the plate. It will be interesting to see if Bush's "basketball team" on the Supreme Court will rule that The Loser is, again, the "winner" and the people are, again, the losers.
More evidence, it seems, for another bumpersticker: STOP MAD COWBOY DISEASE: IMPEACH BUSH
OY!
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If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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pleco
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USA
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Posted - 08/18/2006 : 12:06:18 [Permalink]
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| This will be overturned based on standing. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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