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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 12/31/2001 : 09:14:11
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And, It gave us yet another candidate for Moron of the Year (if he's not yet been mentioned): Pastor Jack Brock, of Almagordo NM.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/31/potter.book.burning.ap/index.html
As a form of free speech, I guess we'll have to live with it. On the up-side, it'll probably increase book sales.
I wish they'd had it closer to me. I'd have brought wieners and marshmellows. Might as well get some use out of the fire.
f
The more I learn about people, the better I like rattlesnakes.
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James
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 09:26:01 [Permalink]
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Okay, I understand burning Ouija boards. And maybe a couple AC/DC records. But Shakespeare???!!!! Come on, you cannot just destroy the works of the man who introduced words into our language. You most definitely cannot destroy the bane of most every child's high school English class. I'd say they were nuts, but that'd be insulting to the people who are nuts.
Bloody arseholes.
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Randy
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 09:44:43 [Permalink]
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Sorta burned up the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights all with one match, didn't they?
Wonder what the "and more" was in the flames of ignorance?
Randy
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Randy
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 09:57:52 [Permalink]
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http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/123101_news_bookburn.shtml
Alamogordo congregants feed books to flames to condemn Harry Potter as many others protest
By Jennifer W. Sanchez
Tribune Reporter
ALAMOGORDO - Jennifer Jaglowitz loves boy bands, clothes and movies.
But the 17-year-old said she needed to destroy her favorite teen paraphernalia to move closer to God.
Saying she wanted to be pure, she tossed a Backstreet Boys music tape into the trash and torched magazines, "Star Wars" posters and CD covers in a church bonfire Sunday night.
"This represents the bondage that these things have in my life," said Jaglowitz, dressed in an oversized sweatshirt and jeans. "It (burning them) will help strengthen my life in Jesus Christ and my relationship with him."
Jaglowitz joined more than 500 people with similar hopes at the bonfire at Christ Community Church in Alamogordo.
But more than 1,500 people lined the street across from the church and calmly protested throughout the event. No one was arrested.
The bonfire was fueled by the popular books of British author J.K. Rowling featuring Harry Potter, a young boy in wizard training.
During the two-hour service, the congregation was encouraged by the church's pastor, Jack Brock, to head to the flames with pornography, albums, Indian "idols" and books. People also wrote down items on sheets of paper and burned them.
"We're not forcing this on anyone," Brock said. "We're obeying God. He wants people to cleanse their lives."
For the last week, Brock has been at the center of public attention in this city of about 30,000 people in south-central New Mexico for planning the bonfire to torch the Harry Potter books.
He called them "an abomination to God."
As a pastor, Brock says, it's his responsibility to preach against books like Harry Potter that he says introduce people to evil, wizards, and witchcraft.
He quoted from the Bible's Deuteronomy 18:10-12: "Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, . . . or engage in witchcraft."
On Sunday, Brock told his congregation he finally purchased and skimmed through a Harry Potter book to understand what he was condemning.
"I need to tell the church about witchcraft," he said. "Any witchcraft is of the devil."
Written by Rowling, the Potter series began publication in 1997. The books' main character, Harry Potter, is a student at the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.
Currently, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" is a blockbuster movie based on the books.
Many protesters - young and old - said Brock was "stepping over the line."
At the protest across the street from the church, some people were dressed as wizards. One man was dressed as Adolf Hitler, comparing the book burning to censorship in Nazi Germany.
Ron Frankinburger said he has never picked up a Harry Potter book, but he was there with his wife, Lee, to protest the bonfire.
"I don't think you should teach children that if you disagree with something, destroy it," Ron Frankinburger, 54, said. "That's not the way it works in America. If you don't like it, don't read the book."
He stood on the side of the road for about three hours by his spray-painted, homemade signs that read: "Book burning is intellectual terrorism," and "What's next, burning witches?"
"It's the principle of the thing," he said. "Maybe next week he'll burn a book I like."
Jacque Bourdon, 18, and Angela Scrivner, 18, said they haven't gotten their hands on the Potter books, but they hope to soon. Both girls protested with family members and friends.
Bourdon said the books "really encourage kids to read," and she disapproved of the bonfire.
"I really don't think God would approve of a book burning," she said. "It's like judging people. It's not cool."
Nicole McKinley, a mother, said she read one of the Harry Potter books to her 8-year-old daughter, Brittany. Both said they really enjoyed the book's imagination.
"It's stuff that cannot happen in real life," McKinley said.
Many mothers at the church said they would never let their children read the Potter books.
Vivian Moore and Eldonna Fernandez said it's nice to have the support of other parents who don't want their kids near Harry Potter paraphernalia.
"It (the bonfire) lets my kids see it's not just Mommy who denounces this," Moore said.
So it came to a surprise to Moore when her 9-year-old daughter, Temeka, told her Sunday night that she had read a Potter book in class last year.
Temeka said she did poorly on the book's test because she didn't understand the book.
"It was talking about all this witchcraft," Temeka said. "I regret reading that book."
Temeka said she felt happier when she threw a Harry Potter advertisement into the fire.
The bonfire was supposed to be a church gathering to bring in the new year, Brock says, but it turned into a nationally publicized event.
Sunday's bonfire took place in front of the white church building, where about 40 rocks were placed in a circle and two wooden pellets were set on fire.
The congregation tossed its items into the crackling fire, but Harry Potter books were scarce. People then gathered around the fire in song for about 30 minutes.
The idea for the bonfire comes from the Bible, Brock said.
He quotes Acts 19:18-20: "A number of them who had been practicing magic brought their incantation books and burned them at a public bonfire."
The last time Brock conducted such an event was 10 years ago.
"I want people to come to Christ and go to heaven," Brock said. "That's the passion in my life."
For Jennifer Jaglowitz, she said throwing away her stuff was the right way to start off her new year.
Singing the hymn, "Praise God," she stood and watched her items disappear in the flames.
"Jesus is Lord over my life. He comes first," Jaglowitz said. "No matter what goes on in my life, I'm always going to turn to him."
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Piltdown
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USA
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 10:37:43 [Permalink]
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This is Pastor Jack(ass)'s rather addled comment on the affair: http://www.ccc3.org/bulletin.htm
Naturally, he had to bring up flag burning, but misspelled "Berkeley" in the process.
With the Back Street Boys, Star Wars, Shakespeare, and Indian "idols" all being consigned to the flames, I guess the Stars and Stripes was one of the few things they weren't willing to burn.
The protestors included both the local Republican and Democratic parties, so we can at least thank Jack and his mob for another display of bipartisan unity, something to which their fellow religious wackos, the Taliban, have also inadvertently contributed this year. http://www.alamogordonews.com/
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Slater
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 11:31:28 [Permalink]
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Great Scot!
Don't you see...?
The Rev. Jack must be a minion of (dare I say the name?) Voldemort!!!!
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Garrette
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 11:47:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Great Scot!
Don't you see...?
The Rev. Jack must be a minion of (dare I say the name?) Voldemort!!!!
There's an easy test: Pronounce the name of he who must not be named. Is it a silent "t", or do you pronounce it? I say pronounce it, but Jim Dale who recorded the audiocassettes of Harry Potter does not (they are absotively marvy recordings, btw; highly recommended).
I'm hoping they do a similar burning near me so I can take my bag of evil marshmallows and dispose of them, too. Well, actually, they're only slightly naughty marshmallows so I'll probably just brown them a bit... Think they'd mind?
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hatten_jc
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 14:18:22 [Permalink]
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quote:
And, It gave us yet another candidate for Moron of the Year (if he's not yet been mentioned): Pastor Jack Brock, of Almagordo NM.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/31/potter.book.burning.ap/index.html
As a form of free speech, I guess we'll have to live with it. On the up-side, it'll probably increase book sales.
I wish they'd had it closer to me. I'd have brought wieners and marshmellows. Might as well get some use out of the fire.
f
The more I learn about people, the better I like rattlesnakes.
Grabb som marscmallows and burn there church...........
Never underestimate a human's capacity for active stupidity.
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Randy
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Peter de Blanc
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 21:29:24 [Permalink]
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Perhaps I'm the only one, but I have no problem with this.
I mean, they can burn stuff if they like. Who are we to stop them? Besides, the publishers are making money in the deal.
Now, if these were library books, there would be an issue here.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/01/2002 : 05:27:49 [Permalink]
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Hi Pete,
I kind'a agree with you. They are, after all, not burning MY books. The chilling (or ridiculous, depending upon how you look at it) thing about all this is the blind adherence to the superstition of witches and so forth. And these people are adults who will pass on their beliefs to their children, creating an entire new generation of 'witch hunters'. Sad.
Has anyone torched Alice in Wonderland, I wonder? Or any of the Disney 'toons? It looks to be a little selective.
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Dog_Ed
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Posted - 01/01/2002 : 23:59:57 [Permalink]
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Well, wouldn't a whole pile of wooden crufixes and Christian crosses burn just dandy? What do you think would happen if someone decided to make such a bonfire?
All depends on what you hold sacred, I 'spose.
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hatten_jc
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Posted - 01/03/2002 : 09:53:47 [Permalink]
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Well, wouldn't a whole pile of wooden crufixes and Christian crosses burn just dandy? What do you think would happen if someone decided to make such a bonfire?
All depends on what you hold sacred, I 'spose.
"Even Einstein put his foot in it sometimes"
You are so right and personly i think it would be fun to see the result if any one startid to burn cross and jesus figurs and bibels in protest of them burning books of literature..
Can just see the fanatics go on a rampage..
Never underestimate a human's capacity for active stupidity.
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Lisa
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Posted - 01/07/2002 : 10:08:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Hi Pete,
I kind'a agree with you. They are, after all, not burning MY books. The chilling (or ridiculous, depending upon how you look at it) thing about all this is the blind adherence to the superstition of witches and so forth. And these people are adults who will pass on their beliefs to their children, creating an entire new generation of 'witch hunters'. Sad.
Has anyone torched Alice in Wonderland, I wonder? Or any of the Disney 'toons? It looks to be a little selective.
f
The more I learn about people, the better I like rattlesnakes.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe its the southern baptists who have called for a boycott against Disney for a variety of sins. Disney produces movies that contain a high fantasy content, (witches, magic and whatnot), and they've also extended health benefits to workers' "domestic partners" (gasp!)
I say let em boycott. Keeps the lines down. Too bad Heritage USA isn't still running, its perfect for these folks. Bad polyester has to go somewhere when it dies.
Lisa
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rickm
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Posted - 01/07/2002 : 18:02:35 [Permalink]
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I had once read an article at Answers In Genesis Minestries, regarding the Disney Dinosaur cartoons and how they were advocating evolution instead of creation. And that "good christians" should boycott any such movies.
"This evolutionary indoctrination will be even more pronounced when young people (and adults) purchase "Dinosaur"-related toys and merchandise and read their accompanying text. Most will not know that the Bible offers the better explanation about so-called dinosaur "mysteries." The Southern Baptist Convention in the United States thus has yet another reason to continue its call to members to boycott Disney products and attractions because of the company's ongoing anti-Christian and anti-family attitudes and policies."
Full Article at
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4308news5-20-2000.asp
Just plain craziness if you ask me. They're raising a whole new generation of people who will be unable to think rationally. What a waste.
"Let me off the plane,I am no missionary, I don't even believe in Jebus..... Oh Jebus please help me." Homer J. Simpson
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James
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Posted - 01/07/2002 : 19:15:53 [Permalink]
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"This evolutionary indoctrination will be even more pronounced when young people (and adults) purchase "Dinosaur"-related toys and merchandise and read their accompanying text. Most will not know that the Bible offers the better explanation about so-called dinosaur "mysteries." The Southern Baptist Convention in the United States thus has yet another reason to continue its call to members to boycott Disney products and attractions because of the company's ongoing anti-Christian and anti-family attitudes and policies."
Only question: How in the blue hell does buying something that has to do with Dinosaurs advance evolution?
I know, I know. I shouldn't even begin to look for logic when it comes to fundies, but what can I say? Old habits die hard.
[qoute]Full Article at
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4308news5-20-2000.asp
Just plain craziness if you ask me. They're raising a whole new generation of people who will be unable to think rationally. What a waste.[/quote]
And I thought the kids today weren't exactly up to par.
"Necessity may be the mother of invention, but laziness is usually the father." -Bailey's First Law |
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