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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 11/02/2006 : 21:00:35 [Permalink]
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No matter how much you dislike him, no matter how much you disagree with his policies, no matter how inept or even criminal you think the Bush administration is, they are not a threat to democracy, and they will be gone come 2009.
So the Patriot Act is not a threat to the democracy?
I see it as the first step down what will be a slippery slope to fascist state. But hey, what do I know? I'm not a US citizen. On the other hand, the way things are now, being a US citizen does not seem to guarantee your freedom anymore anyway.
I don't believe our democracy is so fragile that a single piece of legislation can bring it down.
What do you believe?
I believe you are on your way down the slippery slope, and that if nothing drastic is done soon, you'll have a full-fledged fascist state within 20 years.
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I thought it was obvious that the democracy is already broken, by the fact that Bush won his second election. Serious rumours if cheating at the polls aside, that such a large portion of the population believes neo-con lies to be true and the lack of honesty and critical thinking in news media, and then the very low numbers of voters.
In Sweden we are talking about a blow to democracy when the turnout just dropped a few tenths under 80% in our latest election. |
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| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 11/02/2006 21:07:53 |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2006 : 23:02:03 [Permalink]
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So you ignore most of Dave W's post and concentrate on the first paragraph which was quite obviously a mildly humorous segway to the real meat of his post (which you totally ignored).
You know, I thought to myself when I read Dave W's "Self, If Mycroft lacks integrity he will only respond to the first paragraph". And you know what? You did.
Dave W had a good point which you ignored, and instead concentrated on something that was immaterial. Were you ever a creationist? Or a Conspiracy Theorist? If not, you may want to check them out. You'd fit right in.
What an interesting perception. I looked at Dave W's post and judged the meat, what there was of it, to be in that first paragraph.
What was in the other paragraphs?
A bunch of senseless fear mongering. The Republican party, almost half the United States, is going to continue Bush's policies after he is gone. This pretty much tells you his objection isn't really to Bush specifically, but to conservatism in general.
Oh yeah, and those evil neo-cons will be up to their shenanigans too. Never mind that historically they haven't been all that cohesive as a group, and ignore the fact that their political clout is burnt up right now, they're still a group we should be afraid of. Sure. Yeah.
Then we have an anecdote about Phyllis Schafly claiming a Bush appointed judge should have made some nutty ruling that's pro-Intelligent design out of gratitude for being a Bush appointee. Laughingly, this is actually offered as proof that Bush appointments would be a problem, even though the anecdote is actually an example of the exact opposite happening. The judge ruled against intelligent design!
C'mon! Phyllis Schafly was a joke back in the 70's. Nothing she says represents anything more than the ramblings of a senile old woman.
So yeah, I dismissed a bunch of senseless fear-mongering as senseless fear-mongering. It's interesting you bring up conspiracy theorists; they also believe that speculation of what might happen passes as evidence of what is happening. They can't tell the difference either.
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2006 : 23:08:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I believe you are on your way down the slippery slope, and that if nothing drastic is done soon, you'll have a full-fledged fascist state within 20 years.
Interesting. Could you describe the steps that will get us there from here?
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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I thought it was obvious that the democracy is already broken, by the fact that Bush won his second election.
Yes. One of the things I find very unskeptical about this politics forum is the tendency of some of it's users, and I now include you among them, to take democracy coming up with a result you don't like as proof that democracy is failing. You can see how that wouldn't fly if someone who disagreed with you tried to promote that argument, wouldn't you?
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Serious rumours if cheating at the polls aside, that such a large portion of the population believes neo-con lies to be true and the lack of honesty and critical thinking in news media, and then the very low numbers of voters.
Rumors of cheating. Right…
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
In Sweden we are talking about a blow to democracy when the turnout just dropped a few tenths under 80% in our latest election.
Well that's very nice for Sweden, however US vote turnout needs to be judged against what is typical for the US.
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