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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 09/30/2006 : 13:22:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Who said I was out of line for calling him an asshole?
That would be me.
I just didn't want him to get more fodder for hand-waving dismissals of arguments because the poster insulted him.
I didn't say his argumentation style wasn't infuriating.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 17:05:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
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You better provide some sources for that claim.
I've found the records and confirmed that is, in fact, what it says. If you want me to scan it and email it to you, let me know.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 09/30/2006 : 23:42:24 [Permalink]
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Gorgo:
I've found the records and confirmed that is, in fact, what it says. If you want me to scan it and email it to you, let me know.
So you are saying that the media sat on the story... Yeah, I would like sources.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 03:20:29 [Permalink]
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I erased it when I made a reply. See note 34 Kil:
http://www.understandingpower.com/chap4.htm
What I'm saying is that I found the hearing notes, and they do say what is posted there.
If you would like me to scan and email them, I can, but not very well. Obviously, I can't tear pages out of the book, but they say what is said on the web site. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 05:26:30 [Permalink]
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Let's see, first Gorgo tries to hijack the thread. He gets called on that effort,
No. Some people who aren't paying attention said that I hijacked the thread. What I am talking about is what the thread was about. Olbermann's ridiculously obvious service to the left side of the right wing. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 05:28:33 [Permalink]
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Baloney. First off, it was an ambush. But Clinton did try and try to answer while Wallace interrupted over and over again. That is what lead to it heating up since Clinton would not let Wallace stop him from answering. What happened is Wallace didn't like what he was hearing and tried to move to another subject and Clinton refused to let him run over his attempt to answer…
Watch the complete video.
Bullshit. Well, I'm not sure where to find the entire interview, but I've watched what I could find. Wallace interrupts, they all interrupt. He didn't not interrupt excessively, and Clinton's faux indignation ("you have that smirk on your face" - what crap!) was about making a big show of answering his critics, and had nothing to do with Wallace. This is Clinton's attempt to make Democrats look good. He failed.
"There's a reason that it's on people's minds." Yes, Mr. President, that's why he asked. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 08:37:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo...quote:
Originally posted by me...
Let's see, first Gorgo tries to hijack the thread. He gets called on that effort,
No. Some people who aren't paying attention said that I hijacked the thread. What I am talking about is what the thread was about. Olbermann's ridiculously obvious service to the left side of the right wing.
The thread was about Keith Olbermann's commentary on Chris Wallace's Fox interview with Bill Clinton. You started out by claiming Olbermann was applauding Bill Clinton for what you perceive to be crimes, but in reality he was doing no such thing. The fact that he didn't rail on Clinton for any of his various actions while in office does not in any way imply that he was applauding Clinton for them. You, Gorgo, seriously misinterpreted Olbermann's commentary, which was about Bill Clinton effectively defending himself from the Bush/Wallace/Fox ambush.
But since the beginning, with very few exceptions, you've made this thread about what you believe to be Clinton's crimes. You went on (and on and on) about how Bill Clinton is a criminal and has violated international law, and whenever anyone has tried to get back to the original topic, you continued to bitch and moan about people whitewashing or applauding Clinton's actions. If you had any respect for the other participants here you would have opened a new thread on your topic when it was suggested way back on page 2. But apparently you don't. We've been paying attention, Gorgo. You hijacked this thread.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 09:29:21 [Permalink]
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| For some reason, GeeMack, you like to be the center of attention here, but please don't blame me for it and twist this thing into something that it isn't. |
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Chippewa
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 10:28:48 [Permalink]
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Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 10:47:16 [Permalink]
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Gorgo: Bullshit. Well, I'm not sure where to find the entire interview, but I've watched what I could find. Wallace interrupts, they all interrupt. He didn't not interrupt excessively, and Clinton's faux indignation ("you have that smirk on your face" - what crap!) was about making a big show of answering his critics, and had nothing to do with Wallace. This is Clinton's attempt to make Democrats look good. He failed.
"There's a reason that it's on people's minds." Yes, Mr. President, that's why he asked.
So, this is how the interview went when processed through the Gorgo filter. Sounds remarkably like the Fox news spin…
Hey Gorgo, how many minutes of the interview would you estimate that you watched?
You have accused anyone who approves of Olbermann's commentary and Oldermann himself of approving of Clintons alleged crimes, a place to which neither the interview or the commentary on the interview went. (Oddly, through your filters on criminal behavior, you should have noticed that Clinton was actually being accused by Wallace of not being criminal enough, which is the current right wing spin on what Clinton actually did or didn't do. Only, you give Wallace a pass for asking an honest question. Never mind the hypocrisy in the question itself, or the Fox spin afterwards. In Gorgoland the right and Gorgo have met and see eye to eye because they attacked someone Gorgo happens to despise...
I have already gone through with you the differences between the two administrations. You Gorgo'd that. (Al Capone vs. Lucky Luciano.)
I have been trying to think up a word for what it is you do. I mean, your apparent inability to differentiate between the scope of wrong doing between these two administrations would be an example of that. Clinton and Bush seem to be the same brand of criminal to you. I tried on myopic, but it doesn't really fit. I tried “forest for the trees” and that didn't work. So, it could be that Gorgo'd will have to suffice…
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 10:51:11 [Permalink]
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Al Capone was being interviewed and the interviewer said, "Why didn't you do more about the poor in Chicago?" Al said, "you're just a puppet of Lucky Luciano, who's been spreading this smear campaign about me. I never accomplished anything about poverty, but I tried. I bombed an orphanage in order to reduce the number of poor, you see I did try." We can't say the same thing about anyone else. I've never criticized the murderers in power, but since they said something, I have to say they never tried and I did."
"Well, wait a minute Al, why are you getting so defensive?"
"Well, it's a legitimate question. It is on people's minds, but it's a lie to say I didn't try. I did try. You're picking on me. Everyone always picks on me."
Switch to Olbermann - "Lucky should applaud Mr. Capone's attempts at eliminating poverty. I'm so incensed, I'll allow my hair to move."
End of story.
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 11:01:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Al Capone was being interviewed and the interviewer said, "Why didn't you do more about the poor in Chicago?" Al said, "you're just a puppet of Lucky Luciano, who's been spreading this smear campaign about me. I never accomplished anything about poverty, but I tried. I bombed an orphanage in order to reduce the number of poor, you see I did try." We can't say the same thing about anyone else. I've never criticized the murderers in power, but since they said something, I have to say they never tried and I did."
"Well, wait a minute Al, why are you getting so defensive?"
"Well, it's a legitimate question. It is on people's minds, but it's a lie to say I didn't try. I did try. You're picking on me. Everyone always picks on me."
Switch to Olbermann - "Lucky should applaud Mr. Capone's attempts at eliminating poverty. I'm so incensed, I'll allow my hair to move."
End of story.
Kil, haven't seen you sigh in a while. Thought you did that all the time.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 16:52:39 [Permalink]
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Those teenage girls at the AOL chats really think the sort of thing you do is clever, don't they Kil? LOL. Isn't that the phrase that they love? LOL? I know I get giddy when you say it.
And if I go "on and on" it is in response to other people mostly posting things like requests for the meaning of simple words and phrases. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/02/2006 : 06:11:10 [Permalink]
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| YO, if this thread was to be for posts only agreeing with your point of view, then you should have said so in the opening thread. Olbermann's slobbering flattery of Clinton is something I don't agree with. Fine to criticize Bush, but why not let two criminals and liars fight amongst themselves? Who cares? |
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