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Randy
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 Posted - 10/01/2006 : 17:13:05 [Permalink]
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/01/foley.quits/index.html
"House speaker asks Justice Dept. to probe Foley case"....no pun intended? |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 18:23:33 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the links, filthy and Randy. When Steve Irwin was tragically killed by a stingray, I was more shocked by the particulars than by the fact an animal had finally killed such an "adventurous" animal handler.
Likewise, though I thought I'd seen everything in politics and was expecting eventual scandal, I have to express surprise that the GOP in Congress have effectively destroyed their majority in this particular way: Via pedophilia, and by covering up pedophilia. Well, maybe I should have expected something this sordid. I guess it's what one should expect from hypocrites having power.
For five years, the GOP leadership has known about Foley's persistent and obscene persuit of child pages, yet they acted as Foley's enablers, and merely sent vague warnings to the pages, while keeping the facts secret. That's criminal. These bums are going to be thrown out, come November!
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 21:31:29 [Permalink]
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YO: Just a simple observation here: isn't it interesting how the whole damned congress seems to be flying off the handle (whatever party or stripe) about this when some of the most damaging legislation to pass congress regarding civil liberties is on its way to Chuckle Nutz' desk?
Please don't interpret what I say as giving the Foley Fellow a pass. This kind of alleged sexual activity---that being a mentor hitting on a minor, or worse---is only surpassed in heinousness by incest, rape, torture and murder.
However, this awful overture or act (or whatever it proves to be)that affects only a relatively small number of people. Easy torturing and the vanishing habeus corpus doll portend darker days than a jerk-off wand-waver lurking in the shadows of the House of Representatives.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/01/2006 : 22:05:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Orwellingly Yurz
YO: Just a simple observation here: isn't it interesting how the whole damned congress is flying off the wheel (whatever party or stripe) about this when some of the most damaging legislation to pass the congress regarding civil liberties is on its way to Chuckle Nutz' desk?
Please don't misinterpret what I say. I don't believe this Foley fellow should get a pass. The alleged sexual activity---a mentor hitting on a minor---or whatever, is only surpassed in heinousness by incest, rape, torture and murder.
However, Bush's easy-torture plan and the case of the vanishing habeus corpus doll portend darker days than some jerk-off, wand-waver lurking in the darkened halls and stalls of the U-S House. These changes could affect us all, not just a relatively small number of unfortunate, innocent people.
OY!
In balance, you're right. But if this is the kind of abuse and subsequent scandal that is required to bring down this reprehensible neocon majority, I'll take it. Sorta like tax violations bringing down Al Capone.
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 10/02/2006 : 15:29:51 [Permalink]
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YO, Two-Quarter Moon Man: Although I don't prefer inappropriate, covert sexual activity by public officials as the means for bringing down neocons and Bushits of various types, I would say, to quote our fear mongering leader, "bring it on," and bring these idiots down.
It's getting so desperate these days, the absurdist comics are starting to surface; like the Sasha Cohn fellow who is about to spring his 'mock-doc' real movie: "Borat." He's a friggin' riot, and something required for maintaining one's sanity these days what with the Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld types "in control" of what lies ahead.
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
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The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
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"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
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"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
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Randy
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Posted - 10/02/2006 : 15:51:07 [Permalink]
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ABC Nightly News just states tonight that there's more Congressional page's to willing to step forward about others in the arena hitting on them. It's Sodom and Gofoley all over the place. Change the city's name to Wash-the-thing, D.C.
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marfknox
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Posted - 10/02/2006 : 21:20:16 [Permalink]
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Half wrote: quote:
For five years, the GOP leadership has known about Foley's persistent and obscene persuit of child pages,
(my emphasis in bold)
OY! wrote: quote:
This kind of alleged sexual activity---that being a mentor hitting on a minor, or worse---is only surpassed in heinousness by incest, rape, torture and murder.
Hold the phone a sec, guys. Granted, being Foley's age and attracted to teenagers is technically a mild form of pedophilia, but it isn't even remotely in the same league with child predators. The one teen I keep hearing about was 16 years old. That's age of consent in many states. (At least for heterosexual activity, but that's another ball of wax entirely.) That would make it sexual harassment. I also keep hearing about communications, but not actual activity. So I'd say this crime - if any has been committed - is surpassed by burglary, car-jacking, armed robbery, and a whole bunch of other crimes beyond rape and murder. Inappropriate - definitely. Creepy - yes indeed. I'm glad this will end his political career because the guy obviously little self control and ethics, and certainly some psychological issues regarding sexual attraction to adolescents. But I see no evidence yet to equate him with truly monstrous child sexual predators. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 10/02/2006 : 21:49:13 [Permalink]
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YO: Marfknox. You always bring such rationality to our discourse here. When I was aligning the heinous acts in an earlier and unfortunately multiple post (sorry), the thread of them was a sexual implication; but I just couldn't leave off torture and murder because, in many cases, those who sustain one or both of these, many times, suffer sexual abuse first.
I'm reminded of the quadruple murders of the Clutter farm family back in the 50's in western Kansas. One of the two murderers wouldn't let his companion rape the teenaged girl before they blew her away with a shotgun. Strange irony.
After what happened in Amish country in Pennsylvania today, I'm pretty damned overloaded with humans being cruel to other humans.
I think I need a drink, then a good night's sleep.
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"The modern conservative...is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
--John Kenneth Galbraith
If dogs run free
Then what must be,
Must be...
And that is all
--Bob Dylan
The neo-cons have gotten welfare for themselves down to a fine art.
--me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights."
--J. Paul Getty
"The great thing about Art isn't what it give us, but what we become through it."
--Oscar Wilde
"We have Art in order not to die of life."
--Albert Camus
"I cling like a miser to the freedom I lose when surrounded by an abundance of things."
--Albert Camus
"Experience is the name so many people give to their mistakes."
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filthy
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 03:46:03 [Permalink]
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Foley is the real deal, and I suspect that we'll never know the true extent of his predations.
quote:
In addition to explicit sexual language, former Congressman Mark Foley's Internet messages also include repeated efforts to get the underage recipient to rendezvous with him at night.
"I would drive a few miles for a hot stud like you," Foley said in one message obtained by ABC News.
As to why this was so long in coming out, one word: retaliation. quote:
For generations, American parents have sent their high-school-age children to Washington to serve as Capitol Hill pages and to learn about the real world of politics. In the scandal surrounding Rep. Mark Foley's salacious e-mails, it's clear that one lesson the pages learned was to fear Republican retaliation.
It now appears that one of the chief reasons why Foley's e-mails remained secret for so long – and why some former pages still won't speak publicly – is that they recognize that divulging what Foley did to them could kill their hopes for future careers in politics.
This fear of retaliation from today's take-no-prisoners Republican power structure in Washington has been a little-noted subtext to the stories about Foley's sudden resignation on Sept. 29 over his e-mails to pages since 2003.
Further, I suspect that Foley's diving into alcohol rehab like a cat-hunted rat into an outdoor privy was engineered to get him out of the public eye and away from microphones.
Crash & burn you bastards; crash & burn....
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Randy
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 15:33:45 [Permalink]
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The Onion takes a brief look at Foley with "What Do You Think?"
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53614 |
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Original_Intent
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 20:59:26 [Permalink]
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Everyone of them needs to stand up and scream for blood....
"Biblical Stoning offese." So tru, and so sad.... Sad that we don't take them outside the gates and shoot them.... Thus we shall purge the evil from our midsts.
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marfknox
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 22:07:26 [Permalink]
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OY! wrote: quote:
After what happened in Amish country in Pennsylvania today, I'm pretty damned overloaded with humans being cruel to other humans.
I think I need a drink, then a good night's sleep.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 22:41:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Check this out - it is a frame from Fox News where they had Foley listed as a Democrat! And apparently this was not aired once, but several times. I don't believe it was an accident for a moment.
I agree with one of the posters in that link. Someone needs to look into revoking Fox's FCC license.
There should be a law against calling yourself a news station when they hold to no journalistic ethics whatsoever.
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