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Ghost_Skeptic
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 Posted - 10/05/2006 : 22:01:28 [Permalink]
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Do you think Starman's post was cut off by the proverbial lightning bolt from above?
Of course the supreme being would find it funny to click "post" afterwards.
Perhaps he was raptured up. Know of anyone else that's gone missing suddenly?
No, I just can't bring myself to believe that that could possibly ha
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Starman
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Posted - 10/06/2006 : 06:42:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Back from R'lyeh,
Discovery Institute - Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade
One notes that the source for this blither is DI itself.
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"So we started the Center, and now, just ten years later, we've put
over $4 million directly into scientific and scholarly research on
intelligent design and evolution."
In the last ten years the CSC has:
-- Supported research and writing by more than 50 scientists and scholars in the sciences, social sciences and humanities.
-- Supported scientists and philosophers of science working on specific journal articles, monographs, and books in such areas as biology, biochemistry, cosmology, physics, probability theory, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of science.
-- Financially supported a number of scientific and academic conferences, including the International Symposium on the Origins of Animal Body Plans in Chengjiang, China, the Nature of Nature conference at Baylor University, and intelligent design conference at Yale University.
The dinner is open to the public, and the cost to attend is $100 per
person. Anyone interested in attending can register online at the Discovery Institute website at http://www.discovery.org . For more information, contact event coordinator Annelise Davis at 206-292-0401 x153.
So.... Di does no research of it's own, but gives out some rather picayune funding here & there. And the best they could do in 10 years is 4 mil.... Pathetic. If they actually had anything but wind, the funding would not be a concern.
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Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
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Posted - 10/06/2006 : 11:49:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Back from R'lyeh,
Discovery Institute - Discovery Institute Has Put Over $4 Million Towards Scientific and Academic Research into Evolution and Intelligent Design in the Past Decade
My reading (which concentrated on the subtext between the lines) is that the DI's "Center for Science and Culture" is funding people to write propaganda for them, period. Four million bucks over ten years is probably not insignificant, viewed on a dollars per word basis.
Note the careful weasel-wording of the press release. Nowhere in it does it actually say that a single penny went to actual scientific research. While written to sound scientific-y, not one prediction, nor a single experiment to confirm its truth, is mentioned.
Allow me to break this down. According to the press release, the grants go to these three categories: - 1. "...research and writing" in "the sciences, social sciences and humanities."
(A) Note that it would be technically true (though deliberately deceptive) for them to refer to "research and writing" as a combined set and refer to their funding in this category for grants which were 100% for "writing."
(B) Likewise, by conflating "the sciences, social science and humanities" this means they could have given all their money to just one part of this category, such as the "humanities." (Note significantly, that religion is generally considered part of the "humanities," and might conceivably account for all the DI's "research and writing" funding.)
- 2. "Supported scientists and philosophers of science working on specific journal articles, monographs, and books in such areas as biology, biochemistry, cosmology, physics, probability theory, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of science." This category is explicitly only about paying writers. Again, note how they conflate: Scientists and philosophers.
- 3. "Financially supported a number of scientific and academic conferences..." They shell out money to support their conferences.
So, as I read their press release, the DI funds:
1. Writing.
2. Writing.
3. Talking.
Using weasel-words, the DI can try to sound scientific, and make it appear that they actually do real science, without ever explicitly saying so in so many words. This is all par for the course with these flim-flam men.
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 00:45:31 [Permalink]
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Apparently the Darwinist Inquisition is even able to persecute ID research in evangelical Christian colleges as this NY Times article from December, 4 showsquote:
The Templeton Foundation, a major supporter of projects seeking to reconcile science and religion, says that after providing a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, they asked proponents to submit proposals for actual research.
"They never came in," said Charles L. Harper Jr., senior vice president at the Templeton Foundation, who said that while he was skeptical from the beginning, other foundation officials were initially intrigued and later grew disillusioned.
"From the point of view of rigor and intellectual seriousness, the intelligent design people don't come out very well in our world of scientific review," he said.
The ID-research Bruce Chapman wrote about must really be awesomely über-secret!
I can hardly wait for the results.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 10/09/2006 : 04:49:33 [Permalink]
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Fascinating stuff about the Templeton Foundation! Thanks for the link, Starman. Templeton's offer to consider funding of ID research proposals was "either put up, or shut up" time for the ID creeps. But of course, they did neither.
Nobody should ever let the ID people forget that when push came to shove, there was not one proposal submitted. Not a single ID proponent in the whole world had the slightest clue about how to design such research! Their claim that they practice "science" is shown for the utter lie it is, through their failure to practice it even when they were offered money for doing such research.
The true answer to the question, "What is the state of research on ID?" is:
There never has been any such scientific research. There can't be, because there is no scientific hypothesis of Intelligent Design, obviously making it impossible to make predictions stemming from such a hypothesis, and thus also making experiments based upon the predictions impossible to design, and therefor even more impossible to conduct. Small wonder no research proposals were even submitted!
It's sort of like trying to get a patent on a new kind of 4-D Rubik's Tesseract. Let's say the local patent office requires a working model and/or drawings to be submitted. But the poor design engineer can't find or make any 4-D parts from which to assemble the model. In turn, the harassed draftsman can't even start to draw the damned thing on 2-D paper. So the patent never gets submitted.
Poor ID "scientists."
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