|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
 Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:30:52 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
quote:
Originally posted by Kil
Don't feed the troll...
Kil, why do you seem to call anyone you do not agree with a Troll? The more I read other threads on this site, the more predictable you people are...
He doesn't. He only calls you a troll. I have yet to see him call anyone else a troll, including people he doesn't agree with.
There you go with claiming things don't happen because you haven't seen it happen... Davie, set this guy straight, will you? |
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
 |
|
|
HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:49:53 [Permalink]
|
This particular thread was started in order to foster a general discussion of what I saw as an interesting similarity of argument styles between the unnamed proponents of three disparate types of extraordinary, unevidenced claims.
This was not intended as a thread for the discussion of the merits of any of those claims. Neither was it to be a thread to specifically bash any such claimants, nor for such people to exploit for their own purposes or egos.
That discussion has now been effectively derailed by someone, a "Troll" by common definition. I now ask that Troll and others to take the detailed discussion of his claim back to the several threads he's already established for that purpose.
|
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 13:56:38 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
But notice how davie didn't address the issue of how the debris under scrutiny here got ejected by a dust cloud. That was the issue here.
Absolutely I did: the clause of yours that I quoted was you setting up a strawman: that the "gravity only" explanation was ridiculous. But nobody believes the "gravity only" explanation because the debris wasn't ejected after free-falling in a vacuum. Once you get around to showing that any real explanation offered up by anyone is impossible, I'll try to be the first to say, "wow, ergo was right all along." Because that is the "real issue": your inability to argue against a model that someone would actually use. Until you do, you're just spewing fluff and nonsense. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:00:15 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123:
But notice how davie didn't address the issue of how the debris under scrutiny here got ejected by a dust cloud. That was the issue here.
Actually, ergo123 (note the use of your chosen handle), the issue here is Ruminations on three types of woo-woo. Your wanton disregard for the topic of this discussion is noted. Please keep your discussions to the topic in which it is pertinent. Additionally, please do others the courtesy of referring to them by their chosen handles.
I have noticed your annoying habits of not only hijaking other people's threads to discuss a completely unrelated subject, but even opening several threads on the same subject. Please stop.
I sincerely hope you will keep your discussions on topic from now on, and I strongly urge others to disregard any posts of yours that are off topic. |
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:02:23 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
There you go with claiming things don't happen because you haven't seen it happen... Davie, set this guy straight, will you?
I haven't seen it happen, either. Please provide the evidence that led you to the conclusion that Kil calls people "troll" when he doesn't agree with them. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:06:23 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80
He doesn't. He only calls you a troll. I have yet to see him call anyone else a troll, including people he doesn't agree with.
There you go with claiming things don't happen because you haven't seen it happen... Davie, set this guy straight, will you?
So where did Kil call other people trolls, other then you. Where Ergo? |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll- |
|
|
|
tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:12:35 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
This particular thread was started in order to foster a general discussion of what I saw as an interesting similarity of argument styles between the unnamed proponents of three disparate types of extraordinary, unevidenced claims.
This was not intended as a thread for the discussion of the merits of any of those claims. Neither was it to be a thread to specifically bash any such claimants, nor for such people to exploit for their own purposes or egos.
That discussion has now been effectively derailed by someone, a "Troll" by common definition. I now ask that Troll and others to take the detailed discussion of his claim back to the several threads he's already established for that purpose.
I do think the troll shows the persecuation complex that many of these people have rather nicely. So in a way, he just seems to demonstrate all your points. See for example his latest comments on Kil.
It's something you see in almost all 'alternative theory' woowoos I have encountered, be they fundamentalist christians/ creationists, conspiracy theoriests or "paranormal investigators". If people don't agree with them, it's not because their theories are wrong. No, facts are repressed, they are persecuted, the whole world is actively conspiring against them. It doesn't matter that their claims of persecuation are demonstrably untrue, or often even directly contradicted in reality (like the 'persecuation of christians in America' claimed by a American fundamentalists), it is a claim they just love to make. I am left wondering why. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll- |
|
|
|
Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:49:56 [Permalink]
|
Not defending or condemning any particular poster here, but the why is because it happens. People are emotionally attached to their dumb ideas, governments do lie, conspiracists do conspire, and facts are suppressed.
That doesn't make them right, but the fact is, we live in a world where bullshit sits at the right hand of the Lord. They've just gone one step farther in some areas than we have. We're probably sitting there in other areas of thought (or lack of thought) ourselves. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
|
|
|
|
McQ
Skeptic Friend
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 19:25:10 [Permalink]
|
Well, I just hope nobody has the audacity or poor taste to say something like, cogito, ergo troll. Descartes would have a fit.
Oops.
(plus, it should read more like Stultus est sicut stultus facit.)
Well, don't blame me for the crummy Latin, I took German and Russian!
 |
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Gillette |
|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 22:12:44 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
There you go with claiming things don't happen because you haven't seen it happen... Davie, set this guy straight, will you?
I haven't seen it happen, either. Please provide the evidence that led you to the conclusion that Kil calls people "troll" when he doesn't agree with them.
Thanks for providing evidence for my point, davie! |
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 22:20:04 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
This particular thread was started in order to foster a general discussion of what I saw as an interesting similarity of argument styles between the unnamed proponents of three disparate types of extraordinary, unevidenced claims.
This was not intended as a thread for the discussion of the merits of any of those claims. Neither was it to be a thread to specifically bash any such claimants, nor for such people to exploit for their own purposes or egos.
That discussion has now been effectively derailed by someone, a "Troll" by common definition. I now ask that Troll and others to take the detailed discussion of his claim back to the several threads he's already established for that purpose.
Well moonie, it looks like even davie and kilzie are too caught up in defending their flimsy position to heed your request. I guess it shows how you rate... |
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 22:34:35 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
But notice how davie didn't address the issue of how the debris under scrutiny here got ejected by a dust cloud. That was the issue here.
Absolutely I did: the clause of yours that I quoted was you setting up a strawman: that the "gravity only" explanation was ridiculous. But nobody believes the "gravity only" explanation because the debris wasn't ejected after free-falling in a vacuum. Once you get around to showing that any real explanation offered up by anyone is impossible, I'll try to be the first to say, "wow, ergo was right all along." Because that is the "real issue": your inability to argue against a model that someone would actually use. Until you do, you're just spewing fluff and nonsense.
davie, stop hiding behind inconsequential details and hair-splitting semantics. Of course the 'gravity only' theory does not assume a vacuum--it's short-hand for the 'no added energy beyond that of the plane impact and fires.' It includes air resistance, friction and all the other energy sinks that were present. Now, of course, sometimes, in order to make the calculations easier, some of the sinks are ignored--but that only helps the g-o story.
None of the factors you list above explain the debris being ejected from the cloud of dust in the video. So why bring them up? |
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
|
|
|
HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 22:39:23 [Permalink]
|
ergo123 wrote:quote:
Well moonie, it looks like even davie and kilzie are too caught up in defending their flimsy position to heed your request. I guess it shows how you rate...
I would expect it to take a bit of time for people, including yourself, to begin applying the brakes.
Frankly, I couldn't give a flying rat's ass "how I rate," ergo. I am just another forum user, not a Mod, politely asking that you take this back to the other threads. However, Boron10 is a Mod, and has also "asked."
|
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 23:25:36 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Boron10
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123:
But notice how davie didn't address the issue of how the debris under scrutiny here got ejected by a dust cloud. That was the issue here.
Actually, ergo123 (note the use of your chosen handle), the issue here is Ruminations on three types of woo-woo. Your wanton disregard for the topic of this discussion is noted. Please keep your discussions to the topic in which it is pertinent. Additionally, please do others the courtesy of referring to them by their chosen handles.
I have noticed your annoying habits of not only hijaking other people's threads to discuss a completely unrelated subject, but even opening several threads on the same subject. Please stop.
I sincerely hope you will keep your discussions on topic from now on, and I strongly urge others to disregard any posts of yours that are off topic.
I just follow the flow boron10. I've been told to not open new threads until the old ones are locked. And I haven't opened another related thread since--even though the topics have strayed from what they started as. When I did open new topics to handle that straying, I was told to just let the thread stray until it was locked.
I can't control where others bring up the cd theory. I have threads set up to deal with that topic yet people chose to continue it here. My first post on this thread was to add in the "official myth woo-wooers" to the list moonie started--which was on topic. |
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
|
|
|
ergo123
BANNED
USA
810 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 23:40:31 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
ergo123 wrote:quote:
Well moonie, it looks like even davie and kilzie are too caught up in defending their flimsy position to heed your request. I guess it shows how you rate...
I would expect it to take a bit of time for people, including yourself, to begin applying the brakes.
I'm curious, moonie... why do you care that the thread has strayed? You started the topic on November 1 and had 5 responses that day. Then the thread lay dormant until my 11/10 comment. Now, 7 days after my first comment on the thread, it's at about 90 responses with about 900 views. For all intents and purposes, I revived a dead thread of yours with my 11/10 post. In less time than it lay dormant after you started it, the thread has generated over 15 times the response your initial post did--and didn't add to the clutter of topics. In a way, you could say I recycled your withered thread and gave it new life.
So, not many people seemed to care about your original idea for a thread. Why do you?
quote:
Frankly, I couldn't give a flying rat's ass "how I rate," ergo.
Yes you do. Go see my "Okay then" thread to see how I know that about you.
|
No witty quotes. I think for myself. |
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
